Crappy cornering technique

**discotex** · 22nd September 2008, 18:58

Originally Posted by Big Dave

Hyar mr disco - this is what I meanses - This is the demonstration of countersteering at an RRRS course.

This bike was travelling in excess of 70kph and cleared all the obstacles (and the daft photographer lying in front of it).

Yep, they'd have to be counter-steering the bike but your photo shows a person counter-leaning.

Basically you're combining two terms into one.

The counter-steering is the turning of the bars the opposite direction to the direction you want to go which allows you to flick the bike backwards and forwards.

The counter-leaning is balancing the turning forces at lower speed motorcross style.

Actually a pretty good explanation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countersteering

Best vid I ever found when I was learning to ride:
http://www.livevideo.com/video/RideY...tersteeri.aspx

EDIT: And just so we're clear I'm not having a go at you by splitting hairs mate. Just trying to avoid the newbies getting confused when they see the term being used.

**Big Dave** · 22nd September 2008, 19:09

Originally Posted by discotex

Basically you're combining two terms into one.

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No. I am not. It's not that fuckin hard.

Next.

Rec'd some PM's over this post - I haven't got the shits - honestly - just bantering - it's truly not that hard.

Bike tips - you stay upright = countersteering. It doesn't matter if you grab the bars with your dick - or what someone wrote on wikipedia

**Horse** · 22nd September 2008, 19:32

Originally Posted by Big Dave

Bike tips - you stay upright = countersteering.

I am a n00b. And in that year of n00bness, this is absolutely the first time that someone has given me that definition for the word "countersteering". Every other time has been defined as (roughly) "pushing the bar in the opposite direction of your turn to increase your lean and thus decrease your current turn radius".

I'm sorry Dave, you're without a doubt a KB legend, and your knowledge of riding on two wheels is to mine as a planetary body is to a gnat, but I think you're somehow confused here.

**Big Dave** · 22nd September 2008, 19:35

Originally Posted by Horse

I am a n00b. And in that year of n00bness, this is absolutely the first time that someone has given me that definition for the word "countersteering". Every other time has been defined as (roughly) "pushing the bar in the opposite direction of your turn to increase your lean and thus decrease your current turn radius".

I'm sorry Dave, you're without a doubt a KB legend, and your knowledge of riding on two wheels is to mine as a planetary body is to a gnat, but I think you're somehow confused here.

No - I am completely lucid. It just is not that complicated.

You are either pushing or you are pulling the bike. It's that black and white.

I suggest you attend the RRRS course and have Finn explain it to you. I've done several similar.

**jrandom** · 22nd September 2008, 19:40

So now all the noobs who see this thread and read Big Dave's posts will think that when people tell them to countersteer to get around corners, that means "lean your body the opposite way to how the bike's leaning".

Nice one, Dave.

**Big Dave** · 22nd September 2008, 19:42

Originally Posted by jrandom

So now all the noobs who see this thread and read Big Dave's posts will think that when people tell them to countersteer to get around corners, that means "lean your body the opposite way to how the bike's leaning".

Nice one, Dave.

I did not say that at all.

**jrandom** · 22nd September 2008, 19:45

Originally Posted by slofox

he was in the righthand lane.....watched him try to lean through the corner but he was leaning OUT of the corner, not into it....sort of pushing the bike down towards the road but leaning the other way...

Originally Posted by Big Dave

It's called countersteering.

The RRRS course recommends it for low to moderate speed and tight maneuvers.

Originally Posted by jrandom

So now all the noobs who see this thread and read Big Dave's posts will think that when people tell them to countersteer to get around corners, that means "lean your body the opposite way to how the bike's leaning".

Originally Posted by Big Dave

I did not say that at all.

O RLY?

Just for the record, Dear N00b Readers: countersteering is pushing forwards on the handlebar on the side you want to turn towards. It makes the bike 'fall into' the turn, so to speak. It is highly recommended that you move your bodyweight (lead with the shoulder) toward the inside of the turn, too, to minimise the lean angle your bike will need to get around the corner.

If you are countersteering around very slow corners (carpark cone-dodging, etc), you'll probably need to use your bodyweight to stop the bike from 'falling into' the turn too quickly, so you might end up leaning your torso in the other direction.

Where your torso is or isn't, however, has nothing to do with 'countersteering'.

Gawd, I can't believe I just wrote a 'definition of countersteering' post.

I suppose I need to go away and invent a KB Wave now.

**SPman** · 22nd September 2008, 19:49

Originally Posted by Big Dave

I suggest you attend the RRRS course and have Finn explain it to you. I've done several similar.

Is Finn still running that course....have they cleaned up any more instructors on the countersteering avoidance test lately.........

**Big Dave** · 22nd September 2008, 19:52

Originally Posted by jrandom

O RLY?

OK - if you choose to put it in the context of saying that slofoxes example is a correct example then it needs clarifiction.

I mean - and always meant - the photo example posted as the point of reference.

Other than that I have nothing to amend.

Except I disagree with parts of random's definition.

**Big Dave** · 22nd September 2008, 19:56

Originally Posted by SPman

Is Finn still running that course....have they cleaned up any more instructors on the countersteering avoidance test lately.........

Been a while since I've been out there. I reckon so - bloke deserves a monument.

**dipshit** · 22nd September 2008, 20:00

Originally Posted by Big Dave

I suggest you attend the RRRS course and have Finn explain it to you. I've done several similar.

Then this Finn is rather confused on the matter.

**Headbanger** · 22nd September 2008, 20:06

Short version.

Biker panics after entering corner to hot. Lives to tell his tale

Long version

Multiple pages where people who never saw it happen argue about it, Which of course turns into an argument on how to ride a damn bike.

Excellent.

**McJim** · 22nd September 2008, 20:07

Originally Posted by dipshit

Then this Finn is rather confused on the matter.

Nah, Finn knows his shit well enough. I went to the RRRS course when I started riding and it has done me the world of good. Most people I ride with express surprise when I tell them how long I've been riding. Simply due to the application of what I learned on RRRS and got bcked up by M1CRO in the weeks afterwards.

**98tls** · 22nd September 2008, 20:14

Originally Posted by dipshit

Then this Finn is rather confused on the matter.

I cant believe ive just read so many posts on how to go round a farkin corner on a motorcycle

In my lifetime theres been many who have shunned the "correct" way to go round corners and made many a successful career in doing so,at the start of said careers many said "wtf".Will be most interested to see the result and winning formula according to KB,maybe afterwards we could move on to "correct footpeg positioning" according to the KB wise.