Public perception.

[jrandom]

But they do. They want the nasty motorcyclists to cover their own costs, and disregard the injury costs incurred either because of cagers or by cagers on little 50cc scooters with no gear, hence the spanking at rego time.

ACC doesn't take a premium from everyone covered by the scheme - they couldn't do that and still have it work as well as it does.

But when they do charge a premium, they take risk into account.

And you say 'risks incurred by cagers...' I mean, ho hum; the majority of motorcycle crashes are single-vehicle incidents. And it's the motorcyclists that get hurt, isn't it? You ride a motorcycle, you're at risk of getting hurt, you pay more premium, kthxbye.

Life's never perfectly fair, and grumbling about the extra ACC premiums for motorcycles (I mean, it's an extra $50 a year or so, FFS; you and I probably spend that much on takeout lattes every fortnight) smells to me like someone's trying far too hard to feel discriminated against.

[jrandom]

Yeah, you're right actually. I can't recall claiming anything from ACC from a motorcycling incident for over 20 years.

I'm sure you could find Mangere residents who haven't been burgled in 20 years, too.

But try telling their insurers that that makes them a lower risk.

As far as any statistician is concerned, you're a ticking clock of two-wheeled doom. If you want lower ACC premiums, get off the bike.

Yes, I know that you're totally awesome and will never ever crash and hurt yourself. I also note that that view has been shared by every other motorcyclist ever.

[Katman]

Life's never perfectly fair, and grumbling about the extra ACC premiums for motorcycles (I mean, it's an extra $50 a year or so, FFS; you and I probably spend that much on takeout lattes every fortnight) smells to me like someone's trying far too hard to feel discriminated against.

Care to do a quick calculation on how much I've paid in ACC levies on my motorcycle rego over the last 20 years?

(The amount of time I estimate since the last time I made any claim for a motorcycle related incident).

[jrandom]

Care to do a quick calculation on how much I've paid in ACC levies on my motorcycle rego over the last 20 years?

One of the downsides of a nationalised injury insurance policy is that there will inevitably be people who have the premiums taxed out of them but don't claim on it.

Sucks to be you, but that's the price of having the system in place. The cost of leaving everyone to sort themselves out with private cover would be far higher.

If ACC didn't exist, would you really choose to live without equivalent cover, or would you just end up paying more into an insurance company's pockets to get the same result?

[Katman]

Sucks to be you, but that's the price of having the system in place.

Don't be surprised when I turn up one day asking for my titanium back.

[Mully]

(I mean, it's an extra $50 a year or so, FFS; you and I probably spend that much on takeout lattes every fortnight) smells to me like someone's trying far too hard to feel discriminated against.

Flat whites, actually. Sometimes with an extra shot.

And as a white, heterosexual, non-religious male, I am the only person allowed to be discriminated against now.

[The Stranger:Me]

How do you think the general public perceive motorcyclists?

They fucken love me.























Almost as much as you do.

[jrandom]

Don't be surprised when I turn up one day asking for my titanium back.

From my cold dead hands, presumably?

[Katman]

They fucken love me.























Almost as much as you do.

You're my inspiration Noel. I feel a song coming on.........


"Now I can fly higher than an eagle,

For you are the wind between my cheeks."

[Rockbuddy]

And as a white, heterosexual, non-religious male, I am the only person allowed to be discriminated against now.

have you seen the countrys coat of arms, have a good look at the two people on it, ones a maori and the others a female, what does that tell ya

[Ducman]

I like to get value for money. ACC included.

[MadDuck]

have you seen the countrys coat of arms

NZ has a coat of arms?

[James Deuce]

NZ has a coat of arms?

Yep. That's usually what's left in a No. 8 wire fence after a biker stuffs yet another corner up.

I think we have enough for several coats of arms.

[Katman]

From my cold dead hands, presumably?

Let me assure you, I can work somewhat faster than you seem to think.

[awayatc]

have you seen the countrys coat of arms, have a good look at the two people on it, ones a maori and the others a female, what does that tell ya

Thought it meant some c*nt nicked that ladies coat of her arms.....

NZ has a coat of arms?

Had one....