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  • "Temporary NZers - ban the lot of them".

    35 16.67%
  • "I can see the attraction - but they do themselves no favours".

    96 45.71%
  • "That looks like fun - but I might get wet".

    32 15.24%
  • They love us - they wanna be us.

    47 22.38%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boob Johnson View Post
    If jow bloggs thinks im a wally for riding either like a wally or just for riding I couldn't give a monkeys & I don't think you should either Katman. In the end does it really matter?
    If, by improving the way the general public look upon us, we can lessen the risks associated with motorcycling then yes, it does really matter. (But then, I really didn't expect you to have the intelligence or insight to recognise that Boob).

    So, if over half of us recognise that the public view of us is less than favourable (and quarter of us seem to be severely deluded) how could turning that opinion around benefit us?

    - Car drivers that actually see us when they look at us?
    - Car drivers that don't feel the desire to run us off the road or impede our progress?
    - An increase in the number of people taking up motorcycling thereby increasing our public profile?
    - More public support when law-makers are making decisions that could adversely impact on motorcyclists?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katman View Post
    If, by improving the way the general public look upon us, we can lessen the risks associated with motorcycling then yes, it does really matter. (But then, I really didn't expect you to have the intelligence or insight to recognise that Boob).

    So, if over half of us recognise that the public view of us is less than favourable (and quarter of us seem to be severely deluded) how could turning that opinion around benefit us?

    - Car drivers that actually see us when they look at us?
    - Car drivers that don't feel the desire to run us off the road or impede our progress?
    - An increase in the number of people taking up motorcycling thereby increasing our public profile?
    - More public support when law-makers are making decisions that could adversely impact on motorcyclists?
    There was a study in the states in the late '70's by a Dr. Hurt on cycle/motorcycle safety. He identified that a significant number of car drivers who'd had accidents involving push-bikes or motorcycles were not familiar with those modes of transport (they had never ridden a bike, or hadn't since they were kids).

    The conclusion was that these people saw the bikes, they just didn't classify them as other road users.

    It's these people that need education.

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    The Hurt Report 1981

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    Summary of Findings

    Throughout the accident and exposure data there are special observations which relate to accident and injury causation and characteristics of the motorcycle accidents studied. These findings are summarized as follows:

    1.

    Approximately three-fourths of these motorcycle accidents involved collision with another vehicle, which was most usually a passenger automobile.
    2.

    Approximately one-fourth of these motorcycle accidents were single vehicle accidents involving the motorcycle colliding with the roadway or some fixed object in the environment.
    3.

    Vehicle failure accounted for less than 3% of these motorcycle accidents, and most of those were single vehicle accidents where control was lost due to a puncture flat.
    4.

    In the single vehicle accidents, motorcycle rider error was present as the accident precipitating factor in about two-thirds of the cases, with the typical error being a slide-out and fall due to over-braking or running wide on a curve due to excess speed or under-cornering.
    5.

    Roadway defects (pavement ridges, potholes, etc.) were the accident cause in 2% of the accidents; animal involvement was 1% of the accidents.
    6.

    In the multiple vehicle accidents, the driver of the other vehicle violated the motorcycle right-of-way and caused the accident in two-thirds of those accidents.
    7.

    The failure of motorists to detect and recognize motorcycles in traffic is the predominating cause of motorcycle accidents. The driver of the other vehicle involved in collision with the motorcycle did not see the motorcycle before the collision, or did not see the motorcycle until too late to avoid the collision.
    8.

    Deliberate hostile action by a motorist against a motorcycle rider is a rare accident cause. The most frequent accident configuration is the motorcycle proceeding straight then the automobile makes a left turn in front of the oncoming motorcycle.
    9.

    Intersections are the most likely place for the motorcycle accident, with the other vehicle violating the motorcycle right-of-way, and often violating traffic controls.
    10.

    Weather is not a factor in 98% of motorcycle accidents.
    11.

    Most motorcycle accidents involve a short trip associated with shopping, errands, friends, entertainment or recreation, and the accident is likely to happen in a very short time close to the trip origin.
    12.

    The view of the motorcycle or the other vehicle involved in the accident is limited by glare or obstructed by other vehicles in almost half of the multiple vehicle accidents.
    13.

    Conspicuity of the motorcycle is a critical factor in the multiple vehicle accidents, and accident involvement is significantly reduced by the use of motorcycle headlamps (on in daylight) and the wearing of high visibility yellow, orange or bright red jackets.
    14.

    Fuel system leaks and spills were present in 62% of the motorcycle accidents in the post-crash phase. This represents an undue hazard for fire.
    15.

    The median pre-crash speed was 29.8 mph, and the median crash speed was 21.5 mph, and the one-in-a-thousand crash speed is approximately 86 mph.
    16.

    The typical motorcycle pre-crash lines-of-sight to the traffic hazard portray no contribution of the limits of peripheral vision; more than three-fourths of all accident hazards are within 45deg of either side of straight ahead.
    17.

    Conspicuity of the motorcycle is most critical for the frontal surfaces of the motorcycle and rider.
    18.

    Vehicle defects related to accident causation are rare and likely to be due to deficient or defective maintenance.
    19.

    Motorcycle riders between the ages of 16 and 24 are significantly overrepresented in accidents; motorcycle riders between the ages of 30 and 50 are significantly underrepresented. Although the majority of the accident-involved motorcycle riders are male (96%), the female motorcycles riders are significantly overrepresented in the accident data.
    20.

    Craftsmen, laborers, and students comprise most of the accident-involved motorcycle riders. Professionals, sales workers, and craftsmen are underrepresented and laborers, students and unemployed are overrepresented in the accidents.
    21.

    Motorcycle riders with previous recent traffic citations and accidents are overrepresented in the accident data.
    22.

    The motorcycle riders involved in accidents are essentially without training; 92% were self-taught or learned from family or friends. Motorcycle rider training experience reduces accident involvement and is related to reduced injuries in the event of accidents.
    23.

    More than half of the accident-involved motorcycle riders had less than 5 months experience on the accident motorcycle, although the total street riding experience was almost 3 years. Motorcycle riders with dirt bike experience are significantly underrepresented in the accident data.
    24.

    Lack of attention to the driving task is a common factor for the motorcyclist in an accident.
    25.

    Almost half of the fatal accidents show alcohol involvement.
    26.

    Motorcycle riders in these accidents showed significant collision avoidance problems. Most riders would over-brake and skid the rear wheel, and under-brake the front wheel greatly reducing collision avoidance deceleration. The ability to countersteer and swerve was essentially absent.
    27.

    The typical motorcycle accident allows the motorcyclist just less than 2 seconds to complete all collision avoidance action.
    28.

    Passenger-carrying motorcycles are not overrepresented in the accident area.
    29.

    The driver of the other vehicles involved in collision with the motorcycle are not distinguished from other accident populations except that the ages of 20 to 29, and beyond 65 are overrepresented. Also, these drivers are generally unfamiliar with motorcycles.
    30.

    The large displacement motorcycles are underrepresented in accidents but they are associated with higher injury severity when involved in accidents.
    31.

    Any effect of motorcycle color on accident involvement is not determinable from these data, but is expected to be insignificant because the frontal surfaces are most often presented to the other vehicle involved in the collision.
    32.

    Motorcycles equipped with fairings and windshields are underrepresented in accidents, most likely because of the contribution to conspicuity and the association with more experienced and trained riders.
    33.

    Motorcycle riders in these accidents were significantly without motorcycle license, without any license, or with license revoked.
    34.

    Motorcycle modifications such as those associated with the semi-chopper or cafe racer are definitely overrepresented in accidents.
    35.

    The likelihood of injury is extremely high in these motorcycle accidents-98% of the multiple vehicle collisions and 96% of the single vehicle accidents resulted in some kind of injury to the motorcycle rider; 45% resulted in more than a minor injury.
    36.

    Half of the injuries to the somatic regions were to the ankle-foot, lower leg, knee, and thigh-upper leg.
    37.

    Crash bars are not an effective injury countermeasure; the reduction of injury to the ankle-foot is balanced by increase of injury to the thigh-upper leg, knee, and lower leg.
    38.

    The use of heavy boots, jacket, gloves, etc., is effective in preventing or reducing abrasions and lacerations, which are frequent but rarely severe injuries.
    39.

    Groin injuries were sustained by the motorcyclist in at least 13% of the accidents, which typified by multiple vehicle collision in frontal impact at higher than average speed.
    40.

    Injury severity increases with speed, alcohol involvement and motorcycle size.
    41.

    Seventy-three percent of the accident-involved motorcycle riders used no eye protection, and it is likely that the wind on the unprotected eyes contributed in impairment of vision which delayed hazard detection.
    42.

    Approximately 50% of the motorcycle riders in traffic were using safety helmets but only 40% of the accident-involved motorcycle riders were wearing helmets at the time of the accident.
    43.

    Voluntary safety helmet use by those accident-involved motorcycle riders was lowest for untrained, uneducated, young motorcycle riders on hot days and short trips.
    44.

    The most deadly injuries to the accident victims were injuries to the chest and head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katman View Post
    If, by improving the way the general public look upon us, we can lessen the risks associated with motorcycling then yes, it does really matter. (But then, I really didn't expect you to have the intelligence or insight to recognise that Boob).
    That's an awful lot of assumptions there Katman. But then again I wouldn't except a man of your intelligence to recognise that



    Quote Originally Posted by Katman View Post
    If, by improving the way the general public look upon us, we can lessen the risks associated with motorcycling then yes
    Ok so entertain me, how many related accidents or in this case it seems you are suggesting an alarming amount of cars road raging against bikers because they "HATE" us as it again seems you are suggesting.



    I just don't think there is such a great problem that it needs the amount of attention you persistently give it. As some have said, very admirable intentions to "save motorcyclists from themselves" but the problem just isn't as a greater deal as you think it is. The problem now with your so called campaign (or cam-pain?) is that you have discredited yourself so badly here that who on earth is really going to take you seriously on future issues, issues that may actually be real.




    - An increase in the number of people taking up motorcycling thereby increasing our public profile?[/QUOTE]
    Think you will find that's already happening & has absolutely NOTHING to do with this subject. Has everything to do with the general public wanting to have a lil fun, namely older (baby boomers) wanting to relive old times with some new found (mainly property) wealth & of course a few switching to save gas, two very different styles of bike usually & dif style of riding.

    Again Katman where you get this idea that there is a large/dangerous amount of car drivers out there just waiting for the next biker to come along so they can knock em off is laughable. The day you finally work it out that you are basing your entire argument on assumptions, massive assumptions which are largely unsupported here in these forums.
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    How the hell would I know how people perceive me? I've been a motorcyclist for nearly 35 years now, so I've been one more years than I haven't. It's who I am, so how do I separate that from 'normality'? Any comments I get are only from people I'm related to or work with, so they're tempered by whatever relationship we have.
    However (but!) at my last job I had a lot of comments like, "I used to have a bike once, but it was too dangerous, so I gave it up!" (usually accompanied by either a self-satisfied attitude or some degree of wistfulness). The other attitude (on wet days) was some incredulity that I "rode a bike in this weather". The crazy thing was I was usually drier than whoever made the comment, who'd got wet walking to the office from where their car was parked.
    ... and that's what I think.

    Or summat.


    Or maybe not...

    Dunno really....


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    A short story;

    When living in the UK, it was not so uncommon to be banned from pubs and coffee shops if wearing helmets and leathers. However I once arrived at a coffee shop in a coastal town and sat myself down outside with a large group (10) of other riders, all clad in leather and helmets. The patrons at the coffee shop started to complain about gangs, delinquent youth and that "we should all get jobs".
    One of our group got a bit upset and as we all removed our helmets started a rant, at us but loud enough for the whole shop’s patrons to hear.
    “SHIT GUYS.. LOOK AT YOU ALL... MID FOURTIES MOST OF YOU, IN JOBS WITH AN AVERAGE PAY RATE OF 60K (POUNDS), NOT A SINGLE BIKE HERE WORTH LESS THAN 10K. YOUR LOTS LEATHERS AND GEAR ALONG AVERAGE OUT AT A COUPLE OF GRAND EACH. GOD KNOWS WHAT YOUR KIDS AND WIVES THINK OF YOU BUNCH OF LOOSERS AND DEGENERATES... AND DON’T THINK A COMBINED PROFFESIONAL DEGREE OF MORE THAN 1.5 EACH WILL HELP YOU EITHER”
    One lady in her 70’s came up with the manager and replied with apologies, stating she had grown up in the era of Mods and rockers where everyone that wore leather and rode bikes were misplaced youths and she obviously had to get with the times. The manager shouted us all our first coffee and welcomed us warmly.

    Just goes to show.... we all come with pre-conceptions, them of us, us of them!!
    P.S. Ok I lied not such a short story
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    I got this red rep message just now that reads.............


    "Get with the programme cock head. People love me these days"


    10 points for guessing who sent that
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boob Johnson View Post
    Hell one of my sisters would let my tyres down if she knew where the nozzle was lol, thats how much she hates my bike, mums the same, can't stand the bloody things, wouldn't matter how you rode it she still thinks we are all dicks.
    Are you sure it's the bike that they hate?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Katman View Post
    Are you sure it's the bike that they hate?

    Katman I think even YOUR mother has a soft spot for you so I think ill just scrap by
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    I think motorcyclists are widely admired, generally. There are the obvious intimidatory minority who are behave in a disgusting fashion on and off the road, and even they are somewhat admired because of their machines and the careless fashion they operate them.

    On my bike, many many people stop and talk to me and ask questions, and generally admire my choice of lifestyle. I say to they "Get a Bike!" and I watch them get sorely tempted. I could never not have a bike now.

    It is extremely rare for agro to be shown to me on the road, and where it was I fixed it instantly with a twist of the wrist. Power balance restored!

    Yup, bikers are gods. Get a bike, join us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katman View Post
    Really?

    In addition to Oscar's example I could rattle off a dozen everyday scenarios where the general public would have a very definite and unfavourable perception of us.
    You said general population, not specific cases. I too could think of people that absolutely love bikes and bikers, and also people that absolutely hate them, but theyre not the 'general public' asked about in your first post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DangerousBastard View Post
    I think motorcyclists are widely admired, generally. There are the obvious intimidatory minority who are behave in a disgusting fashion on and off the road, and even they are somewhat admired because of their machines and the careless fashion they operate them.
    There is a difference between someone admiring a bike and admiring a person because s/he rides a bike.

    I admire Ferrari's - but I don't admire people who drive Ferrari's any more than anyone else because of what they drive.

    People on bikes or cars who drive like wankers will be perceived as wankers.

    People on bikes or cars who drive well and don't piss everyone off will simply be considered 'normal' road users.

    Thinking back to before I started biking - I had no view on bikers, just like I had no view on on people who drive red cars vs blue cars.

    Most road users are the same. Thus - I don't think there is a 'general' perception of bikers.

    I admire people for who they are - and I couldn't be assed about anyone who admired me or not simply because of my personal choice of transport.

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    Any person dreams of driving a ferrari, because they know they can. They 'know' they cant ride a massive roadbike in that fashion - its the impossible lifestyle pipe dream for them.

    So let them watch on and dream, and we live that dream - you know its true. You wouldn't get them on the back of your modern GSXR1000 etc for anything except a lame double around the block, but you reach out and touch the face of god on it.

    Mere mortals vs Gods. Bikers are admired. Except for cruisers - they are just cars with only two wheels. p/t

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    Quote Originally Posted by OutForADuck View Post
    A short story;

    When living in the UK, it was not so uncommon to be banned from pubs and coffee shops if wearing helmets and leathers. However I once arrived at a coffee shop in a coastal town and sat myself down outside with a large group (10) of other riders, all clad in leather and helmets. The patrons at the coffee shop started to complain about gangs, delinquent youth and that "we should all get jobs".
    One of our group got a bit upset and as we all removed our helmets started a rant, at us but loud enough for the whole shop’s patrons to hear.
    “SHIT GUYS.. LOOK AT YOU ALL... MID FOURTIES MOST OF YOU, IN JOBS WITH AN AVERAGE PAY RATE OF 60K (POUNDS), NOT A SINGLE BIKE HERE WORTH LESS THAN 10K. YOUR LOTS LEATHERS AND GEAR ALONG AVERAGE OUT AT A COUPLE OF GRAND EACH. GOD KNOWS WHAT YOUR KIDS AND WIVES THINK OF YOU BUNCH OF LOOSERS AND DEGENERATES... AND DON’T THINK A COMBINED PROFFESIONAL DEGREE OF MORE THAN 1.5 EACH WILL HELP YOU EITHER”
    One lady in her 70’s came up with the manager and replied with apologies, stating she had grown up in the era of Mods and rockers where everyone that wore leather and rode bikes were misplaced youths and she obviously had to get with the times. The manager shouted us all our first coffee and welcomed us warmly.

    Just goes to show.... we all come with pre-conceptions, them of us, us of them!!
    P.S. Ok I lied not such a short story
    I used to get this when I cummuntered on the SRX250, which was a rather small bike , but it made up for its lack of stature with extra noise.

    I would hear people making disparaging comments about delinquent youth, young idiots, kids nowdays etc. Until I removed my helmet,to reveal my venerable and hoary locks and antique mien of majesty, like a latter-day Gaunt, time honoured Lancaster. Then they would fall silent, abashed and ashamed at their disrespect for a sweet gentle old man

    Then I'd give them the fingers and put the boot into their car doors as I left, as one does

    So some of any antimotorcycle sentiment that there is may just be a part of the general hatred that old people seem to have for youff. I don't like old people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by imdying View Post
    You said general population, not specific cases. I too could think of people that absolutely love bikes and bikers, and also people that absolutely hate them, but theyre not the 'general public' asked about in your first post.
    I meant that I could rattle off a dozen examples of behaviour that would be perceived by the general public unfavourably.

    You stated you don't think the general public have any perception of us. I'm suggesting that when confronted with irresponsible behaviour that the very same general public will form a very definate perception of us.

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