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    So the USA - the remaining "superpower" - is really on par with third world China, India or even their old enemy Vietnam?
    If it wasn't for the nukes the US wouldn't even be on par. I guess one day China will want to cash in all those US Treasury bonds they have been buying up and end up owning the country
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    Quote Originally Posted by pete376403 View Post
    So the USA - the remaining "superpower" - is really on par with third world China, India or even their old enemy Vietnam?
    If it wasn't for the nukes the US wouldn't even be on par. I guess one day China will want to cash in all those US Treasury bonds they have been buying up and end up owning the country
    Oh how the mighty have fallen.
    Quoi?? I think we were talking about Russia. The average American's lot is equivalent to the upper class in any of those Asian Tigers. Yes, there are poor in the USA, but it's all relative. Compared to the real poor in the world - a couple of billion people, those in poverty in the West are still very privileged. Go and have a look at the beggars in Mumbai or Sao Paulo.

    The USA is a looooonnnggggg way from having fallen. But if it does, in the sense of withdrawing from international peace-keeping, UNESCO, etc, who is going to take up the reins? The Europeans?? Like they did in the Balkans?? NOT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pete376403 View Post
    I guess one day China will want to cash in all those US Treasury bonds they have been buying up and end up owning the country.
    Personally I would like to have them checked for "authenticity" since the Chinese fakes are getting very good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SPman View Post
    Been there lately? - a large part of the population would not agree with you on that one.....
    No, but assuming you have, do the people hate or even dislike that situation?

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    Capitalism's Decades of Greed and Abuse of Privilege

    This is well worth reading. It's about the UK but translates to all capitalists:

    from http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2....marketturmoil
    This terrifying moment is our one chance for a new world

    The past 20 years has seen an unparalleled boom in the money markets. As the free market blossomed, so too did cheap debt, huge bonuses and ostentatious wealth. Now, as our financial system lies on the brink of collapse, it is time to build a new one, based on fairness instead of naked greed, and with long-term commitment to building businesses and supporting investment

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    Click the link and read the entire article: it speaks volumes about the naked greed behind the current crisis

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2....marketturmoil

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    Quote Originally Posted by idleidolidyll View Post
    This is well worth reading. It's about the UK but translates to all capitalists:

    from http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2....marketturmoil
    This terrifying moment is our one chance for a new world

    The past 20 years has seen an unparalleled boom in the money markets. As the free market blossomed, so too did cheap debt, huge bonuses and ostentatious wealth. Now, as our financial system lies on the brink of collapse, it is time to build a new one, based on fairness instead of naked greed, and with long-term commitment to building businesses and supporting investment

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    Click the link and read the entire article: it speaks volumes about the naked greed behind the current crisis

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2....marketturmoil
    And I bet millions of socialists also profited...................but candidly I do agree that the financial institutions have indeed been a bunch of filthy money grubbing bastards. Capitalism is good, as long as business is truly productive ( and actually doing something useful ) rather than brazenly speculative and it carries along people with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyryder View Post
    Hitler brilliant??...............I don't think so but as an orator.............no ones come close.
    Seriously Skyryder you are deluded if you don't think Hitler was both brilliant and a great leader.

    The fact that I find his ideals and very many of his deeds repugnant in no way detracts from him being a great leader of men and a brilliant mind.

    Has anyone else in history achieved so much?
    Quote Originally Posted by Tank
    You say "no one wants to fuck with some large bloke on a really angry sounding bike" but the truth of the matter is that you are a balding middle-aged ice-cream seller from Edgecume who wears a hello kitty t-shirt (in your profile pic) and your angry sounding bike is a fucken hyoshit - not some big assed harley with a human skull on the front.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Stranger View Post
    Seriously Skyryder you are deluded if you don't think Hitler was both brilliant and a great leader.

    The fact that I find his ideals and very many of his deeds repugnant in no way detracts from him being a great leader of men and a brilliant mind.

    Has anyone else in history achieved so much?
    Oh well, always up for a challenge

    Alexander the Great, Ghengis Khan, Muhummad (blessed be his name), Saladin, Jesus Christ, Charlemagne, Atilla the Hun, Julius Ceasar, Ivan the Terrible, Joseph Stalin.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winston001 View Post
    Oh well, always up for a challenge

    Alexander the Great, Ghengis Khan, Muhummad (blessed be his name), Saladin, Jesus Christ, Charlemagne, Atilla the Hun, Julius Ceasar, Ivan the Terrible, Joseph Stalin.......
    Hmm, how many of these people inherited a country in absolute ruin and sans military immediately prior to attempting world domination in a 13yr reign?

    Either way, the fact that you would compare him to these people only bares out my argument - he was a brilliant leader.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tank
    You say "no one wants to fuck with some large bloke on a really angry sounding bike" but the truth of the matter is that you are a balding middle-aged ice-cream seller from Edgecume who wears a hello kitty t-shirt (in your profile pic) and your angry sounding bike is a fucken hyoshit - not some big assed harley with a human skull on the front.

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    Fair enough. Adolf Hitler was a charismatic man, a mesmerising speaker, and politically brilliant for the times he lived in. That makes him a leader in most senses of the word and he certainly impelled the German people on an extraordinary growth path.

    However that path was fed by resources and Germany was fast running out of them. Its one of the problems of fascism - its a type of war economy, highly aggressive, controlling, and dynamic. No standing still and having a cup of tea.

    The Anschluss of invading Austria had to happen, as did Poland etc to feed the German economy. That isn't actually a sign of success.

    Hitler was no economist, no industrialist, and certainly no military leader.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Stranger View Post
    Hmm, how many of these people inherited a country in absolute ruin and sans military immediately prior to attempting world domination in a 13yr reign?

    Either way, the fact that you would compare him to these people only bares out my argument - he was a brilliant leader.
    Yes but brilliant Leader doesn't necessarily make the one that is good for the Country, or the World, which is more important to me (to bad USA does think about that when they are voting). Know who ya know now about Hitler, would ya still vote him in?

    By the way, see the gap is closing between Nat and Labour. Going ta be a close one. See Winnie is sucking in the Gray Powers again too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RiderInBlack View Post
    Yes but brilliant Leader doesn't necessarily make the one that is good for the Country, or the World, which is more important to me (to bad USA does think about that when they are voting). Know who ya know now about Hitler, would ya still vote him in?
    Sure - similar to Klark
    This however seems to be a point Skyryder overlooks, I don't, hence I didn't vote for him, nor her.

    Yes interesting about the polls, just goes to show the stupidity of man, I won't be at all surprised if she manages to bribe and hoodwink enough to get elected.

    People should vote what's best for the country, not what's best for them. However it becomes easy for labour as they simply bribe soft targets like Maori, women and students with candy and they lap it up, not wondering for a second where the bribes come from and if they are sustainable.

    We get what we deserve.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tank
    You say "no one wants to fuck with some large bloke on a really angry sounding bike" but the truth of the matter is that you are a balding middle-aged ice-cream seller from Edgecume who wears a hello kitty t-shirt (in your profile pic) and your angry sounding bike is a fucken hyoshit - not some big assed harley with a human skull on the front.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Stranger View Post
    Sure - similar to Klark
    This however seems to be a point Skyryder overlooks, I don't, hence I didn't vote for him, nor her.

    Yes interesting about the polls, just goes to show the stupidity of man, I won't be at all surprised if she manages to bribe and hoodwink enough to get elected.

    People should vote what's best for the country, not what's best for them. However it becomes easy for labour as they simply bribe soft targets like Maori, women and students with candy and they lap it up, not wondering for a second where the bribes come from and if they are sustainable.

    We get what we deserve.
    What you have just stated is the cold hard reality, sad and true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Stranger View Post
    Yes interesting about the polls, just goes to show the stupidity of man, I won't be at all surprised if she manages to bribe and hoodwink enough to get elected.

    People should vote what's best for the country, not what's best for them. However it becomes easy for labour as they simply bribe soft targets like Maori, women and students with candy and they lap it up, not wondering for a second where the bribes come from and if they are sustainable.

    We get what we deserve.
    Agree with that statement (too many think that tax cuts are really going ta help the Country), but disagree as to whom would be best. For me it is a choice between the two evils and personally think that Key will be worse than Helen.
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