True Production Racing series

[Robert Taylor]

Amen. On another thread people were discussing a good SRAD time at Manfield - I remember Paul McQuilkin doing 10s at the last WSBK round (93?) on a pre-srad suzi 750 on yokohamas and with BOG STANDARD SUSPENSION.

And just imagine how much faster he and all the other talented riders would go with good suspension. Easy point to ( conveniently I think ) overlook.

How many WSBK and WSS entries do you see with stock standard suspension?

[jrandom]

And just imagine how much faster he and all the other talented riders would go with good suspension.

Some people have tight budgets and just like riding bikes, y'know.

You seem to have difficulty accepting that.

[Shaun]

And just imagine how much faster he and all the other talented riders would go with good suspension. Easy point to ( conveniently I think ) overlook.

How many WSBK and WSS entries do you see with stock standard suspension?

This thread is about production racing Robert! NOT Sports Production racing.

Can you PLEASE just leave it alone, and move on to an area that is Your dept, ie, selling after market suspension





Thankyou

[tri boy]

Shaun, there are a few people about with what could only be described as "quite a mongrel' stirring in their pants about this idea.
Don't let others rush you on this, if it picks up in a manner that it could, then it could really fire up NZ proddy racing.
IOM is big to you now, but this could also be almost as big in personal satisfaction.
Remember, from little things, big things grow.

[sidecar bob]

And just imagine how much faster he and all the other talented riders would go with good suspension. Easy point to ( conveniently I think ) overlook.

So we raise the bar for everyone & just end up with the class costing more.
Hey. . . why stop at suspension, thats only one aspect of going fast, What the hell Shaun, why dont you just get a dozen moto gp bikes & we can lease them for $500,000 a season, that should screw the sport properly.

[Crasherfromwayback]

This thread is about production racing Robert! NOT Sports Production racing.

Hey Shaun...lets make it RMZ450 proddie racing...no mods except a 36t back sprocket and soft tyres on std rims!
The new fuel injected 5 speeders are only $9995.00(with heaps of goodies thrown in)...let's go!!!

Did I mention I just purchased one??

[slowpoke]

There are two trains of thought here and both are valid:

1) You've got to be able to ride the wheels off what ever you are riding if you are aiming for ultimate success.
2) You also have to be able to tune suspension to extract the maximum performance possible if you want to progress further. Being able to change springs, modify damping etc is also an important part of a riders development that isn't catered for with stock suspension.

With or without aftermarket suspension people will ride to the limits. You could argue that stock suspension is actually safer because corner speeds will be reduced. You could also argue that stock suspension limits the "level playing field" because riders won't be able to tailor suspension outside certain weight parameters.

I hope it does well, it would make for great TV....but therein lies the real problem with our sport: exposure.

[JJ58]

Hey Guys,

I'm not wanting to enter into the little lovers tiff that's goin' on here, but I am curious if anyone knows of any other "production" racing series that's currently running anywhere in the world right now???...... Street Stock 150's about the only class I can think of.... Maybe CBR150 in Oz??

It's a good concept. SS150 has done wonders for the racing scene in NZ.

[CM2005]

just to put my 2c into this stupid suspension debate... what happens to people who are unsure how to get the best from their suspension??? proddie racing is about standard bikes, and controlled tyres etc.. not wankers with $$$$ winning everything, its a proper may the best man win situation.
NOT THAT I'M SAYING EVERYONE WHO WINS OR DOES WELL IS A WANKER WITH ALOT OF MONEY!!!!

[sidecar bob]

Hey Guys,

I'm not wanting to enter into the little lovers tiff that's goin' on here

Hey!! none of us love each other here, i thought that was perfectly clear.

[Robert Taylor]

Some people have tight budgets and just like riding bikes, y'know.

You seem to have difficulty accepting that.

Lets turn that around...........some people have more liberal budgets and some people have problems accepting that.

[Robert Taylor]

just to put my 2c into this stupid suspension debate... what happens to people who are unsure how to get the best from their suspension??? proddie racing is about standard bikes, and controlled tyres etc.. not wankers with $$$$ winning everything, its a proper may the best man win situation.
NOT THAT I'M SAYING EVERYONE WHO WINS OR DOES WELL IS A WANKER WITH ALOT OF MONEY!!!!

Im glad you clarified with your last sentence as tall poppy syndrome is one of the least appealing of kiwi character flaws. I dont have a problem with anyone having lots of money and using it, providing they grafted hard for it and have carried people along with them. What I do have a problem with is the dumbing down mentality ( rather than aspiration and a hard work ethic ) that has crept into our society at large.
Bear in mind that it will still be those with the most committment winning anyway.
Personally ( and I can agree to disagree with Shaun ) a true production series should be open to all brands.
Back to subject and over and out from me.

[cowpoos]

F.F.S hasnt anyone got the balls to ride a bike on stock suspension anymore.

I sense a huge softness creeping in.
Im also becoming more than a little tired of hearing that EVERY bike MUST be fitted with a paticular brand of suspension in order to to be a worthy steed.
Can we take a wee break from it now please? im sure the message has been well & truly put across.
Goblins performance on the standard ZXR400 compared to a couple of blokes on ones that had more spent on the suspension than her entire bike proved that there is a lot of cock being talked.

Okay...how about we do a race class...say 600's with stock suspension...but with a control rider weight...stock everything...tyres a control. but....

We'll weight the heaviest person in the class...and everyone else gets to wear weight belts of lead balast to make them the same weight...and then we'll Race...I'm up in that case!!

[madkeenandy]

Hey Guys,

I'm not wanting to enter into the little lovers tiff that's goin' on here, but I am curious if anyone knows of any other "production" racing series that's currently running anywhere in the world right now???...... Street Stock 150's about the only class I can think of.... Maybe CBR150 in Oz??

It's a good concept. SS150 has done wonders for the racing scene in NZ.

In Italy and france (?) they have a similar production junior class except they use the plentiful aprillia and cagiva 125 road bikes. Rossi statrted there (after mini-motos)

[Buddha#81:Me]

We'll weight the heaviest person in the class...and everyone else gets to wear weight belts of lead balast to make them the same weight...and then we'll Race...I'm up in that case!!

I'm in for that..... but the wee guys will crumble unber the 40 odd kgs they would have to stap on.