Contemplation.

[carver]

The operative phrase....

well, were doing pretty good at the moment.
there are apparently some dudes in the uk a bit like us on you tube.
cant find them though

[Grahameeboy]

well, were doing pretty good at the moment.
there are apparently some dudes in the uk a bit like us on you tube.
cant find them though

Boxhill more likely....

[beyond]

Someone asked me today why I’m so hard on a certain type of person, the old skiddy, and the current Craver/Moron Many. I didn’t have an answer for them, aside from a brief explanation that they set a dumb precedent for newbies entering the site.

While that’s kind of true, and since after attending a funeral today, I’m feeling in a contemplative mood; I thought I’d better start telling the whole truth of why the Cravers of the world feel the force of my scorn and derision.

Let us get one thing straight from the get go. Knitting is a hobby. Golf is a hobby, (although even more frustrating that knitting). Even collecting stamps is a hobby. Motorcycling is more than that.

Motorcycling is much more than a simple way to pass time; while for some it starts out as pastime, or even cheap transport; after a while for some, motorcycling transcends the mundane. It transcends age, gender, socio-economic status, and even education. It is a love affair that is stronger than human relationships, and even after decades of not riding, even Born Agains come full circle to embrace the freedom and thrill again – the decades between a blur of normalcy with the release of riding again; gaining something so precious lost in youth and life mature.

And, it is thrilling. There are few activities where life and death, speed and visceral pleasure are so closely intertwined. More addictive than cocaine, we are solo thrill seekers, bounded only by physics and velocity, caught in a maelstrom of noise and speed. And danger. The linkage between game and game over is clear, even to the bystanders who watch with little understanding or empathy. To us, the players ourselves, we feel alive by walking that edge between soaring and the plunge into the abyss.

We honour those who die, but the young and shallow alike play like simpletons between the multitude of dangers; either blissfully unaware cloaked within the comfort of ignorance – or worse, quietly afraid but openly arrogant.

The Cravers of the world fall into the latter category. Their utter disrespect for something so unique and contempt for the experienced and wise of our community, their disregard and inevitable conclusion clear to all but them.

I’m not suggesting it’s some cult, some new religion; motorcycling transcends even that. It connects our soul with something more timeless. Visiting shrines like Ken McIntosh’s workshop, or standing by a racetrack feeling the velocity of the shockwaves passing with each bike’s passage. Sitting with others, talking in quiet tones about our individual experiences, creating shared understanding. The community of people – I am thinking of MOM right now as I write this after her work over the past few days, for someone else who had worked for our community of bikers. We have language, protocol, kata or of our own. Responsibility is the most sublime of duties.

But this, my friends, the people who get this without long explanation, is why I chose to share the company of people who wear dead cow, and why I’ll continue to criticise and deride the likes of Craver.

Mock this honesty if you will, but I think a fair few of you would agree with the sentiment.

Awesome post and bling duly awarded
BUT:
The Cravers might be a new breed but I can assure you they enjoy motorcycling as much as you I and expoound their love of bikes in a much different way.
They tend to be offhand, almost mocking but they are just taking the piss and when one of their own machines finally coughs and dies or meets an early end they are just as upset as you or I. The last thing they really want to see is one of their mates sliding down the ride wearing away muscle and bone.

I like them. I've seen the exuberance of the younger "y" generation and I honestly have a good laugh at their videos.

I enjoy banter with them, I like riding with them the odd time I have and they make life fun which I really think, it's meant to be.

Theres too many heartaches and things that go wrong in life not to have a good laugh when someone is really just taking the piss.

In fact, when you get to know them, most people have some redeeming feature or something about them that you can like.

I think we need to focus on the positive. Too many young people are around for too short a time and I think we need to make these ones feel appreciated.

Life? I love it

[carver]

why do you guys always talk about me?

threads about my life expectancy, and what a wanker i am blah blah...

i find it funny, cause 98% of you have no idea of who carver is!

[wbks]

they crave the carvers knife

[beyond]

Be warned - you might never be the same again.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ad.php?t=84341

(For the record - yes, I laughed)

So did I mate and a lot

[carver]

our videos are spreading!

http://www.gamesfather.com/video/BestzDds1Q5mVrw.htm

http://utube.smashits.com/videos/byd...mon-jokes.html

http://www.errachidia.org/tv/1-cbf250.html

im staggered at how our videos do.

[beyond]

im staggered at how our videos do.

I'm not. They are good value and give a bloody good laugh.
Be honoured to do one with you guys soon. Video that is

[madbikeboy]

our videos are spreading!

http://www.gamesfather.com/video/BestzDds1Q5mVrw.htm

http://utube.smashits.com/videos/byd...mon-jokes.html

http://www.errachidia.org/tv/1-cbf250.html

im staggered at how our videos do.

Like herpes, you've gone viral.

[madbikeboy]

Awesome post and bling duly awarded
BUT:
The Cravers might be a new breed but I can assure you they enjoy motorcycling as much as you I and expoound their love of bikes in a much different way.
They tend to be offhand, almost mocking but they are just taking the piss and when one of their own machines finally coughs and dies or meets an early end they are just as upset as you or I. The last thing they really want to see is one of their mates sliding down the ride wearing away muscle and bone.

I like them. I've seen the exuberance of the younger "y" generation and I honestly have a good laugh at their videos.

I enjoy banter with them, I like riding with them the odd time I have and they make life fun which I really think, it's meant to be.

Theres too many heartaches and things that go wrong in life not to have a good laugh when someone is really just taking the piss.

In fact, when you get to know them, most people have some redeeming feature or something about them that you can like.

I think we need to focus on the positive. Too many young people are around for too short a time and I think we need to make these ones feel appreciated.

Life? I love it

I'm humbled by your well thought out response, I acknowledge what you're saying in general terms, but I disagree in the case of Craver for a few reasons. Bling on the way.

MBB

[Pedrostt500]

Awesome post and bling duly awarded
BUT:
The Cravers might be a new breed but I can assure you they enjoy motorcycling as much as you I and expoound their love of bikes in a much different way.
They tend to be offhand, almost mocking but they are just taking the piss and when one of their own machines finally coughs and dies or meets an early end they are just as upset as you or I. The last thing they really want to see is one of their mates sliding down the ride wearing away muscle and bone.

I like them. I've seen the exuberance of the younger "y" generation and I honestly have a good laugh at their videos.

I enjoy banter with them, I like riding with them the odd time I have and they make life fun which I really think, it's meant to be.

Theres too many heartaches and things that go wrong in life not to have a good laugh when someone is really just taking the piss.

In fact, when you get to know them, most people have some redeeming feature or something about them that you can like.

I think we need to focus on the positive. Too many young people are around for too short a time and I think we need to make these ones feel appreciated.

Life? I love it

No they are not a new Breed, they have always been there 25 yrs ago I had friends who would do much simmilar things to young Carver, keep in mind they were doing it on bikes built and desighned in the 1970s and early 80s, hardly any where near the technology available today, and keep in mind that most roads have varstly improved in the last 25 yrs.
I had 10 friends and aquaintences killed in various road accidents when I was in my late teens early 20s, how I didn't join them I'm not sure.
Carver in 25 to 30yrs time when he has teen age kids heading out onto the road on their bikes, knowing full well what they can get up to, and how unforgiving the black serpent can be when it claims its victims.

[carver]

I'm not. They are good value and give a bloody good laugh.
Be honoured to do one with you guys soon. Video that is

really?
sweet, we could do the 22..
im writing the gixxer thousand one at the moment.
that should be epic

Like herpes, you've gone viral.

if only...
how long you had it?

[carver]

why do all of you claim to care so much?
you dont even know me...
by half of your responses, you wouldn't shed a tear anyways.

get over yourselves

[Pedrostt500]

why do all of you claim to care so much?
you dont even know me...
by half of your responses, you wouldn't shed a tear anyways.

get over yourselves

But we do, you are as much a part of the Kiwi Biker community as any one else here, We look after our own. my best example and the one that started this thread, is look how the KB community rallied to the aid of Nasty at the tragic loss of Grub, we can't do much for Grub, but it is because we care we support Nasty through her pain. keep in mind that most in KB don't know Nasty or Grub very well, but we Care what happens to our fellow members.

[Pussy]

Had a great ride today myself. Just to Mokau and back. Not a fast ride, or a very slow one, just a nice pace. Felt at one with the world.... apart from trying to "run in" my new leather jacket and pants that I've had for a while, but haven't worn. Bit uncomfy!
Days like today are what motorcycling is all about

Edit: Lots of courteous drivers on the road today, too. Did heaps of "thank you" waves to cars that pulled over to make passing easier