Is 6 months all a biker's life is worth? In the news today!

[dpex]

That's because it was seen as an accident.

Which it was not.

Y'know, Scum, I can't help but think your lot should be pushing a bit harder to make women as accountable as men.

I realise that in the court system you have some time-serving, prosecutor who probably can't get a real job. But surely, mate, your lot should have just a bit more aggressive feelings toward tagging Julie Smith.

Can't you...and I mean you, personally...make an effort to get the CLO to appeal the decision?

Surely, your Sergeant has a dick.

C,mon man. If it had been you, you'd be doing three years for MS. Lose your job. General melt-down of your life.

[SARGE]

James! You fail to understand the transgressor..aka the murderer, for that's what she was...was a woman. Not a man.

A man, within the dominio


*****SNIP********


tten before the end of next week.

WOW... hate women much?

[wbks]

10$ says his wife cheated on him...

[PrincessBandit]

With any luck. With the gap between Upper and Lower classes getting bigger, hopefully poorer people won't be able to afford having cars on the road.

Not even! We'll jus' go steal one auw.

Sounds to me like we need two new charges here:

1. Vehicular manslaughter through careless or negligent action; and
2. Vehicular manslaughter through dangerous driving.

That should solve the problem. 7 years for the 1st. 12 years for the 2nd.

Unfortunately sleazy double dealing lawyers will always muddy the water so you'll never get a determination as to which it should be........

This is disgusting.. Doesn't matter if she's a tourist, if she's driving on our road she abides by our laws. If I was that girl's family I would be absolutely fuming..

Yes, and you could say the same to every innocent victims families who have suffered similar tragedies. God knows there have been enough of them.

That's because it was seen as an accident.

Which it was not.

Care to enlighten us o noble scummy, or are you unable to enlighten us further?

James! You fail to understand the transgressor..aka the murderer, for that's what she was...was a woman. Not a man. .........

But it wasn't a man. It was some simpering Julie Anne Smith, with acrophobia. And the limp-wristed, feminist acolyte judge, asserted Cheryl's life was worth less than Smith's life, on account of Smith was still alive and may yet contribute to the greater scheme.

Cheryl's death will be forgotten before the end of next week.

Well, I rarely would ever contemplate saying this in writing, but "fuck me". I can agree with what you're saying man but sheesh it's a bit OTT don't you think? I'm sure that there is plenty of evidence out there of women who have been fucked over by men, and then a second time by the judicial system so don't give us that "it's because she's a woman" bullshit.
Sadly, i do have to agree with your last sentence, but that's the way of life isn't it. A life sentence for those left behind, but the world carries on.
p.s. i must look up acrophobia - i don't know that one.

WOW... hate women much?

Beat me to it.

[dpex]

Cant be fucked reading past the first page before I post this but...

Does using the judical system as PUNISHMENT for an accident really help anyone?

Licence suspension and fines entirely appropriate sure but methinks jailtime wouldn't really help anyone EXCEPT real criminals who deserve to be in there for doing willfull naughty shit but are getting it easy coz of overcrowding and the like.
This sort of tragic shit can happen to any of us.
Consider if the last near miss you had on the road did turn to shit and YOU killed some kid who happend to be taking a piss on the side of the road where your bike slid off to...

A small lapse of concentration can happen to anyone, driving on the wrong side of the road is an extreme one but still possible.

Just thowing the idea out there so hopfully some people will think about it a bit. I dont really wan't to spend a million posts defending my position.

Before I go on, let me say that Beethoven had many critics. Hayden, Bach, and Mozart, to name but three. They all said his music was mush.

Now to the main event.

In fact, I agree with you. Punishment, or the prospect thereof, never works to avert a potential offender.

I think that punishment is there to give some comfort to the victim, and quite properly so.

But the prospect of punishment has rarely inhibited an offender. For example: In Singapore they hang an average of one person a day for drug offences. Does that deter the next offender? Nope. New day. Next hanging.

Why would you do it? ....deal drugs, I mean. Knowing your neck is on the line?

But they do. One a day.

Nope, the prospect of punishment never caused any fool to act wisely.

What's the answer? Damned if I know.

[Katman]

Before I go on, let me say that Beethoven had many critics. Hayden, Bach, and Mozart, to name but three. They all said his music was mush.

Really?

Bach had been dead for 20 years before Beethoven was even born.

[dpex]

No, she was a woman who made a tragic mistake and found herself on the wrong side of the road.

It wasn't a case of reckless use of a vehicle causing the death of another.

You complete arsehole. Tell that to her family.

[jrandom]

Women, etc...

As per my earlier response to Jim, if you're going to push this thesis, you'll need data to support it in the form of specific instances of men being sentenced more harshly than women in cases that were materially equivalent.

Without such supporting argument, you both come across as Chaps With Issues (tm), which isn't very convincing.

[Quasievil]

You complete arsehole. Tell that to her family.

Chill out dude ffs

bloody motorcyclists over rate themselves you and the rest of us bikers are just other road user like everyone else..........use the road at your peril.

bloody lynch mobs

[Timber020]

You complete arsehole. Tell that to her family.

Didnt you learn that lifes not fair and shit happens? Chill out, grow up and try to be civil.

I take it you dont make mistakes? Youve never overcooked a corner, followed to close, failed to indicate, failed to give way, driven with a few under you belt, or ridden to fast for conditions or potential conditions?

[Katman]

I take it you dont make mistakes? Youve never overcooked a corner, followed to close, failed to indicate, failed to give way, driven with a few under you belt, or ridden to fast for conditions or potential conditions?

I think if you search through the threads you'll find dpex guilty of virtually every one of those.

[gunrunner]

When toy enter any country you obviously have to abide by all of those countrys rules etc....
This incident doesnt do much for the faith of this countries law .
Ask yourself this , would the verdict been the same if round that corner were a young family on pushbikes and that the result being that one of the kids was killed .

I think not .

[Jerry74]

The law is fucked... hopefully the new government might have some ball to try and change things a bit.. we live in hope.

[Katman]

Does it only piss us off when car drivers kill motorcyclists?

What about when motorcyclists kill motorcyclists?

[James Deuce]

As I've stated before, I don't think you've ever successfully shown that the NZ judicial system treats unintentional vehicular homicide any less harshly than other forms.

If you really think that NZ doesn't 'punish' unintentional killings severely enough, argue that question on its own merits.

But whether or not it happens on the road is entirely a red herring.

If you disagree with that and really do think that fatal crimes of negligence committed on the road are punished out of proportion to such crimes committed elsewhere, you'll need specific comparative evidence, not just rhetoric, to be convincing about it.

It wasn't an accident and she wriggled and wriggled. She made a mistake based in arrogance and ignorance, and the usual course of action is to punish the offender for wasting Police and Court time. Even that didn't happen, despite a guilty verdict.

I'm not providing rhetoric for your entertainment and I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. I've repeatedly stated in this thread that these are my own opinions, and I think you are being more than a little malicious in demanding that I provide "proof" to back up my opinion.

One of the things that people fail to understand with me (even though they know the details) is that I've been the victim in similar circumstances and watched the person that broke my neck and back, gave me a head injury that persists in blighting my enjoyment of life, ruined my career, and delayed starting a family only to find that during the enforced delay, starting a family had become a maybe 2 percent chance, get a slap on the wrist. That person caused untold heartache and went from being contrite at the accident scene and hospital the next morning to claiming in court I was speeding, drunk (couldn't get any sense out of me at the accident site - duh, you ran over my head), and deserved it because I was on a bike. Resussed 8 times in the ambulance. He was fined 600 dollars and disqualified for a month. He was DIC.

Next time you see moderate injuries in bike accident reports, someone is dealing with something like that. I stand by my opinion. I've seen the same tale repeated over and over. My brother in law was run over as a teenager outside St Pat's Silverstream, on the footpath, by a drunk. His head injury and internal bleeding meant his 6th form year was a waste of time. Short and medium term memory loss. The guy who did it was discharged on stress grounds. Failing marriage. Makes it OK to temporarily fuck up a kid's life.

They're not accidents, they never are. Someone screwed up, and the norm is that they don't own what they did. They start off all sorry, but the moment they realise that they might lose something, might be held accountable, they fight tooth and nail. Because we view MVAs as accidents they're just not considered as bad as an electrician reversing phase and neutral (accident, innit?), a fireman starting fires, or a nurse making a drug calculation error. I gave examples based in competence, because you'd expect other road users to be competent. But they don't have to be.

So my opinion is based entirely in emotion. I don't care that you want proof and I certainly don't care that you don't like my opinion. My opinion is that as a road user in NZ (it doesn't matter if you ride, drive, skateboard, cycle, or walk) your life is worthless. It's always an accident. The perpetrator always has extenuating circumstances on their side.