Lest we forget... New Zealand's shame

[naphazoline]

It's (to use a cliche) an ongoing cycle of violence.
There are hidden (though usually less extreme) examples of violence against children, promulgated by fundamentalist religions preaching "spare the rod and spoil the child", and these do not pertain to any particular ethnic group. You throw that sort of teaching into a situation where a parent is tired from working long hours, has a difficult child, is frustrated because he/she doesn't know how to handle disobedience or what seems like willful naughtiness, and you end up with abuse.
I guess that's still cultural. Even today, many cultures (religious or otherwise) embrace physical chastisement as acceptable.

maybe so....but there's a BIG difference between a smack on the hand/arse,as opposed to what's happened to these children.

[imdying]

maybe so....but there's a BIG difference between a smack on the hand/arse,as opposed to what's happened to these children.

But where does it start? I guess there must be some that start out with the beatings, but it seems logical that most would start with a smack here and there?

[<Rhino>]

Let me guess... you're a fat coon?

How did I know you would come back with that!! oh right simplistic predictability.

[imdying]

How did I know you would come back with that!! oh right simplistic predictability.

I was dumbing it down to fat coon level for you

[naphazoline]

But where does it start? I guess there must be some that start out with the beatings, but it seems logical that most would start with a smack here and there?

when i grew up,i got a smacked bum if i was naughty,as many people here over the age of about thirty would have.there was also the cane/strap at high school and at primary school.
i'm still alive,and i never heard of any teachers KILLING kids.
using your logic,we should all be dead

[imdying]

when i grew up,i got a smacked bum if i was naughty,as many people here over the age of about thirty would have.there was also the cane/strap at high school and at primary school.
i'm still alive,and i never heard of any teachers KILLING kids.
using your logic,we should all be dead

Sorry, I wasn't implying that every person has a fucked up node in their brain that automatically moved them down such a dark path, just that those that do have such disabilities most likely started out with 'just a smack'.

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

What drives a person to hurt those who can't even fight back, the most defenceless, a child. :@

I have never understood that either... All the child is wanting at that age is pure love and attention.,.. the creamy marshmellow side of me is showing....

But when you see a list of them all together, makes you think... :wtf:

[Hitcher]

They're at peace now.

That's true at one level. But no child, or any other living creature, deserves the deliberate and sustained torture many of those listed in the first post in this thread must have endured.

The worst thing about this is that the appalling list that started this thread, is only a partial count of those children who have lost their lives as a consequence of domestic violence. And I shudder when I think of the hundreds, if not thousands more, who have "survived" abuse of this type and are exposed to it daily as part of their "normal" lives.

Worse still, I feel burdened by not being able to do anything about it. Buying and wearing a white ribbon only shows my revulsion. It will not make the pain stop for thousands of kids in New Zealand tonight.

[naphazoline]

Sorry, I wasn't implying that every person has a fucked up node in their brain that automatically moved them down such a dark path, just that those that do have such disabilities most likely started out with 'just a smack'.

oh....ok

[chrisso]

WTF has happened to NZ...........im glad I left

[vifferman]

maybe so....but there's a BIG difference between a smack on the hand/arse,as opposed to what's happened to these children.

It's a matter of degree - it's not that hard to go from a 'simple smack' to several harder 'simple smacks'. Throw in alcohol, tiredness, frustration or whatever and it can easily go too far.

But where does it start? I guess there must be some that start out with the beatings, but it seems logical that most would start with a smack here and there?

Yeah.

when i grew up,i got a smacked bum if i was naughty,as many people here over the age of about thirty would have.there was also the cane/strap at high school and at primary school.
i'm still alive,and i never heard of any teachers KILLING kids.
using your logic,we should all be dead

All? Well, maybe only those subject to 'discipline' from "damaged" adults that didn't know how/when to stop, or couldn't.
Take for instance kids that laugh (nervously or hysterically) when they're smacked; that could provoke an already angry adult into going too far.
And it's the thin edge of the wedge, if the adult doesn't realise he/she has gone too far and goes too far again. And again....

[Hitcher]

Maybe executing a few, if not all of those found undeniably guilty of these atrocities will send out the right message.

New Zealand's underclasses don't read the newspaper or watch the 6:00pm news. They don't think they're doing anything wrong. How do you propose delivering the "right message" to them?

[naphazoline]

the creamy marshmellow side of me is showing....

something, i feel, that the parents/guardians of these poor kids had none of.

[short-circuit]

Your reaction - and others - is the point. You don't want to discuss this, fair enough. Others do.

And I think the time is long past for talking.

So your answer is what? Start up a thread/rant. That's constructive. I see it's been overtaken by racists and hysterical "cut their balls off" (sensible sentencing trust) types.


I use the site for bike related info/contacts etc. Sometimes I'm guilty of being curious enough to venture into corners of the site I shouldn't - like this one.


Why don't you stick to talkback back for this shit.

[imdying]

How do you propose delivering the "right message" to them?

Heads on stakes outside the local pub.