True Production Racing series

[Robert Taylor]

I dont think there is any argument that quality suspension components set up in the correct way is a huge improvement in many ways but I think the common theme is the affordability for the masses that want to race.

My personal opinion for a SUPERSTOCK class is rear shock change, I believe you need 2 shocks anyway keep the stocker setup for the wet and only valving and spring allowed in the front. Wet tyres are a must for racing, and so is setup.
Cant get more cost effective setup options for performance/safety than that. Anything less wont really supply the learning platform for setup.

That would give you a good dry adjustable setting and wet setting for around 2k give or take.

This does overlook that many models have serious front end issues, arguably sometimes more in need than the rear, in order of priority. If you have no confidence in the front that is the most serious impediment to going faster and feeling more secure and connected to the track.

[codgyoleracer]

Bro. . .This is Kiwi Biker, You must have been trying to log on to Iwi Biker & accidentaly hit the "K" by mistake, its right next to the "I" so i can see how it must have happened.

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[svr]

Sorry to be so cynical Frosty but I have seen a large number of posts that owe more to emotion than good sound technical reasoning

If Reason ever trumps Emotion the first thing to end would be motorbike racing.

[Sketchy_Racer]

If Reason ever trumps Emotion the first thing to end would be motorbike racing.

To true mate!

[scracha]

While Craigs description was hardly eloquent he does have a point. Those that are the most motivated, best presented etc will help themselves a lot more in attracting help. There are no free lunches.

My dress sense is pretty dapper anyhoo but I'd best get one of my flunkies (and I mean that in the Scottish sense of the word) to wash the bike then.

You're quite right about the "free lunch" mentality that a lot of racers seem to have though Dr Bob. Along with the basic suspenders setup guide, MNZ should hand out an idiots guide to "how to thank your sponsors properly".

[FROSTY:Me]

Interesting though how squat control and hookup improved dramatically once the stock ''gap fillers'' were removed on Craigs CBR1000RR and replaced with high qulaity RACE SPECIFIC suspenders. I.e, remove the road bike suspension and fit PROPER race bike suspension because its being ridden on a RACETRACK.Lap times and tyre life improved.
Perhaps all world racing bodies should be informed of the error of their ways and leading suspension suppliers should be told to close their doors. Its a filthy notion to actually improve something. Sorry to be so cynical Frosty but I have seen a large number of posts that owe more to emotion than good sound technical reasoning. ( thats not decrying good and reasoned posts promoting controlled classes )
I am not against controlled classes, I am also not against classes that allow expression of set up skill. There are people that have the money to buy the good gear, let them spend it in the motorcycle industry also! Money is made to go around. If you trample on the more wealthy people by regulating their expenditure then theyll go and spend it elsewhere, and it wont trickle through. Heck look at how many people left our shores permanently over the last decade because of our stifling regulations.
My suspension company employs 4 people ( used to only be me ) Think about that. Also what I have learnt with my primary Swedish supplier has given me more knowledge that is of benefit in understanding oem suspension. Think about that also. Positives I think.
This argument is not as clear cut as many want to oversimplistically believe. Other people have also fairly alluded to the motorcycle industry not doing enough to promote itself to the general public.

Sorry Robert you are talking about the guys at the pointy end here.
Theres a bunch of guys I can think of right now that would be going a shit load faster by spending the money on LAPS rather than suspension or engine or whatever. This isn't emotion its simple fact.
There is NO replacement for time on bike.
Being real here -put ME on a bike built by YOU especially for me and that track at that time of year.
Put me on the same bike with well set up factory suspenders but with 5 trackdays under my belt in 5 weeks.
I know for a fact I'll go faster on the factory stuff.
I have NO doubt at all that good suspension improves the bike and therefore laptimes.
I do doubt its a replacement for just doing race laps

[Cleve]

Sorry Robert you are talking about the guys at the pointy end here.
Theres a bunch of guys I can think of right now that would be going a shit load faster by spending the money on LAPS rather than suspension or engine or whatever. This isn't emotion its simple fact.
There is NO replacement for time on bike.
Being real here -put ME on a bike built by YOU especially for me and that track at that time of year.
Put me on the same bike with well set up factory suspenders but with 5 trackdays under my belt in 5 weeks.
I know for a fact I'll go faster on the factory stuff.
I have NO doubt at all that good suspension improves the bike and therefore laptimes.
I do doubt its a replacement for just doing race laps

Hey Frosty. Watch out! Shaun wants you!

[Shaun]

Hey Frosty. Watch out! Shaun wants you!

Haha, just a return phone call would do, I have offered him a bike to race, but he has NOT confirmed with me as yet. Guess I will just sell it then eh

[FROSTY:Me]

OHH SHIT--- I have F@#@#@ my cell phone
Head dowm arse up selling.
Have you been trying to contact me Shaun??

[Shaun]

OHH SHIT--- I have F@#@#@ my cell phone
Head dowm arse up selling.
Have you been trying to contact me Shaun??

well talk tomorrow mate

[Shaun P]

This does overlook that many models have serious front end issues, arguably sometimes more in need than the rear, in order of priority. If you have no confidence in the front that is the most serious impediment to going faster and feeling more secure and connected to the track.

Ok I would agree with that statement, but I guess $5k vs $2k(for example front and rear combined) is a big deal for racers on a budget.(Isnt that what we are talking about?) A stock setup and linear rate spring cartridge vs aftermarket is prob worth about 0-2 seconds a lap depending on the rider.

[sAsLEX]

Not really

Dickens, Twain both rampant racists by your book.



What I am trying to get across is that no matter what you think the word means it is the person that receives it that takes offence. No matter how innocent or factual the statement is.



And on the shaving thing. Not only personal appearance but the bikes appearance and how you approach racing in a professional way, such as a full concise clear and well proof read race CV, is what will make a sponsor look at you twice.

[cowpoos]

-put ME on a bike built by YOU especially for me and that track at that time of year.
Put me on the same bike with well set up factory suspenders but with 5 trackdays under my belt in 5 weeks.
I know for a fact I'll go faster on the factory stuff.

Nah...I picked neither...You'd be on the side of pit lane talking to anyone who will listen...about how fast you are!!!!

[Robert Taylor]

Sorry Robert you are talking about the guys at the pointy end here.
Theres a bunch of guys I can think of right now that would be going a shit load faster by spending the money on LAPS rather than suspension or engine or whatever. This isn't emotion its simple fact.
There is NO replacement for time on bike.
Being real here -put ME on a bike built by YOU especially for me and that track at that time of year.
Put me on the same bike with well set up factory suspenders but with 5 trackdays under my belt in 5 weeks.
I know for a fact I'll go faster on the factory stuff.
I have NO doubt at all that good suspension improves the bike and therefore laptimes.
I do doubt its a replacement for just doing race laps

The point you miss is that especially given time on a bike you notice its shortcomings. So why do aftermarket suppliers of high performance suspension exist?

[jrandom]

You got some sponsorship deal with Gillette on the cards or does one of our top street racers have OCD?

Fuck me, I never realised. Mr Shiriffs has enlightened us; it's the beard that makes me slow.

I shall shave it off forthwith. Podiums await!