Sorry - stand corrected that was the big old 900 Hornet at 108 hp.Originally Posted by MentalFacility
Have you given up on the CBRR?
You're nuthin
Sorry - stand corrected that was the big old 900 Hornet at 108 hp.
Have you given up on the CBRR?
For whom the bell tolls
You need to go and ride a Yamaha FZ-1N.
Better yet - a mildy tuned Fazer like what The Stranger has.
KiwiBitcher
where opinion holds more weight than fact.
It's better to not pass and know that you could have than to pass and find out that you can't. Wait for the straight.
Hardcore Biker
Why?
Does it have a damper and gear indicator?
For whom the bell tolls
Your bum dyno is out then. 124hp is at the crank. It puts out a smidgen under 110hp at the wheel.
There was a good comparo between the FZ1, CB1000R and the Z1000 in the October SuperBikes magazine.
KiwiBitcher
where opinion holds more weight than fact.
It's better to not pass and know that you could have than to pass and find out that you can't. Wait for the straight.
For whom the bell tolls
No, but then I don't require them. The FZ1 is what the Z1000 and CB1000R should aspire to be more like - a naked bike with a re-tuned superbike engine, not a detuned one.Why?
Does it have a damper and gear indicator?
The engine revs should tell you if you need to be up or down a gear for a given corner.
FWIW The Strangers FZ1 put out around 150hp at the wheel when it was last dynotuned.
KiwiBitcher
where opinion holds more weight than fact.
It's better to not pass and know that you could have than to pass and find out that you can't. Wait for the straight.
Hardcore Biker
And and and? Please enlighten us with the basic reviews... Please...
For whom the bell tolls
FZ1, CB1000R, Z1000.
In that order. They said the would have marked the FZ1 higher if not for poor wind protection (its a naked FFS). They said all bikes were nice, but the FZ1 took it out. It has a big power advantage over the other two (the Z1000 running a ZX9R motor), as well has having sportier suspension and chassis, making it more capable on the back roads than the other two.
KiwiBitcher
where opinion holds more weight than fact.
It's better to not pass and know that you could have than to pass and find out that you can't. Wait for the straight.
Hardcore Biker
Thanks.
Yeah, it is funny how the bikes can never be great, they always find fault. Didn't they complain about lack of midrange when the FZ1's first came out? Or was it strange fuel injection? Can't remember...
Interesting they never had the Triumph in it... Did they say why?
Forum whore
Both, and both are easily corrected.
Yamaha took some soft options in crippling the engine which are easily undone.
Later ones are still quiet in the mid range, but the throttle snatch is fixed.
I suspect it is more of a contrast than actually lacking mid range. at 6,500 rpm it's pulling 75hp, at 7,000 rpm it pulls 90hp. It's not like a 600 in the middle.
One hell of a ride.
Personally I prefer the Honda to the Yamaha for road use.
Forum whore
Sure, to each his own and I'm guessing you maybe haven't tried a de-restricted FZ1, but quite frankly I would rather have the extra 30-40hp gift and save some money.
One hell of a ride.
Once it's over 120hp the total power makes not a lot difference to me really - it's wicked fast and will lose you your license in first or second gear - no matter which badge - and I go to where it matters infrequently.
How and where it develops the power in the rev and velocity ranges is more important. The Honda hits my spot precisely. low down grunt-wise.
Hardcore Biker
That is one thing Honda have done, that's have engines with more midrange than the other bikes...
Maybe not a good example (being race bikes) but it showed at some of the WSB rounds where it would take the Yamaha the whole straight to gain what the Honda pulled out of the corner... One can argue it's better for the street too but then again, a few ft/lbs of trq low down for a few more ponies up top, makes for a different rush...
We won't even mention the Kawi, which is supposed to have a monster of a motor... That said, they did get a few podiums in the States behind Spies and Mladin... BUT, I digress, lol...
Best Frenemy you could have!
ah.... so you must have been number 1 on the list... I was number 2, and someone was taking it out for 2 hours on Monday arvo.
Thats ok, my boss and I get it Tuesday night (tonight was due to be crap weather), time for some head to head comparo with the bike it replaced (albeit a modded one).
For me, I didn't think much of the fz1 (it was 08, and stock), I don't like the retuned idea of a sportsbike engine, I think honda did a fantastic job detuning the hornet (just a bit lacklustre around 100kph). Its punchy down low, pulls from 1500 odd rpm (gawd thats low for 900cc) and is super smooth.
The Speed Triple didn't handle well, but the engine is a beaut. I'm hoping Honda do something similar to the CB1000R to what they did with the hornet, but better. I'll know come Wednesday.
Forum whore
Again, sure, I agree 100%. Hence I went for the Yamaha.
If I am giving shit, it develops the torque where I want it - from mid rpm on. No good developing high torque at low rpm when you never use low rpm when giving it stick.
Round town or in the wet I am riding it in the low rev range where I don't need high torque, so why bother with having it there?
These characteristics suit me to a tee.
When I change and want peak torque for commuting and wet weather and low torque for giving it shit. I'll probably choose the Honda too.
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