James, its like your beloved labour party, you are getting seriously out voted here
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James, its like your beloved labour party, you are getting seriously out voted here
Quote Jan 2020 Posted by Katman
Life would be so much easier if you addressed questions with a simple answer.
Hardcore Biker
Originally Posted by Boob Johnson
More like complete bollocks,who in there right mind does that?
Forum whore
People who need to keep their jobs. If I don't do it, shit breaks and I get in the crap.
If a man is alone in the woods and there isn't a woke Hollywood around to call him racist, is he still white?
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My what? I'm really getting tired of that assumption.
I also think the people who are"voting" against me, have never worked for an IT corporate in NZ. I think the majority of Kiwis work in small firms, and I reckon this policy change isn't an issue for them. From my perspective, large NZ corporates will milk this for all it's worth.
If a man is alone in the woods and there isn't a woke Hollywood around to call him racist, is he still white?
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I am ina position of all responsibility and no authority. You should try it some time. You might stop thinking that all employees are useless arseholes who do nothing,
If a man is alone in the woods and there isn't a woke Hollywood around to call him racist, is he still white?
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The law only applies to companys with less than 20 employees!! Not to many large NZ corporates with less than 20 employees!!!
http://www.stuff.co.nz/4787849a11.html
Quote Jan 2020 Posted by Katman
Life would be so much easier if you addressed questions with a simple answer.
YOU WILL RESPECT MY AUTHORITAH
As Jrandom put it, if after 90 days you still can't do the job, why should you be an anchor on the business? (the proverbial you, of course)
Nail your colours to the mast that all may look upon them and know who you are.
It takes a big man to cry...and an even bigger man to laugh at that man.
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If the dismissal is unjust even within the 90 day period the employer will still be accountable.
I have been taken to the cleaners for unfair dismissal twice. (actual situations below)
Employee One: Seemed like a nice smart guy, unfortunately he was a bigot and racist - and was quite open with his comments to people not of his colour. Do I fire him or get done by (and lose the respect of) the other poor hard working employees who have been with me for years?
I fired his ass 3 days into the job. Cost the company $8000
Employee Two: Was late for work by 3 to 4 hours a day generally 4 days per week (for months). Caught using a password hacking tool on the CEO's
account.
Went thru the process to get him fired - all boxed ticked, all T's crossed, all i's dotted - yet he took us with a no-win no-fee lawyer and cost us $10,000
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No. It's not. Unless your reasons for wanting to fire them are not such as can stand the light of day.
So, get the process right. Listening to all these people bleat on about how they have to have they right to sack workers because they are this that or the other, I cannot help thinking that many employers simply should not employ anyone. I've hired probably several hundred people in my lifetime. I can't recall one of those who turned out so bad that I've have wanted to sack them in the first few months. If you're such a poor judge of character that you can't tell the good from the bad, get someone who can to do it.Right now, employers absolutely have to get the interview process right, else they're stuck with a lemon that they have to 'micromanage' out of a job. That's a pain for everyone involved. It would be nice if everyone was an expert at interviewing people and always did all the correct checks, but that's simply not realistic.
Why do you suppose that it "won't happen at most workplaces" ? Blind faith? I'd say the reverse. It *will* happen at most small workplaces.Sounds to me like 90 days gives you a trial period to find out what people are _really_ like. Sure some people might abuse that, but that won't happen at most workplaces, and I'm sure word would get around pretty fast about joe's motors where joe only hires & fires. In industries like IT, this is an godsend - demand for skilled workers is high but supply of them is low.
And why do you suppose that someone is is already in a permanent role is going to chuck it in for a 90 day fixed term contract (which is all the offer of permanent employment would amount to) at non-contract rates. The job on offer would have to be *fantastically* good. So all that small shops will get now will be the people who don't have a job and have nothing to lose. They may be out of work for valid reason (redundancy, return form overseas). or they may not. This law just cripples the chances of small employers getting good staff.
If you need 90 days to find out what someone is _really_ like (And I'll repeat, if you're that bad at the hiring process, get someone else to do it) , then take them on on a 90 day fixed term contract at contract rates.
Not to mention it being a wonderful Christmas present to the ratbags who will hire young girls : then let them know that if they don't put out they're down the road. And trust me, there are a shed load of such out there. The ratbags charter, I'd call it.
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Jim, I think you're on a hiding to nothing here.
I HAVE been in the IT industry for over 25 years (ouch). I know what you mean but there isn't in industry apart from MacDonalds that has to on a daily basis have to deal with muckupsa and fuckups. The IT industry is ridled with people who aren't bright enough to be a road sweeper (no offence Finn), let alone manage the data of companies that depend on it. You just have to do a CCNA, or a MS cert and you in. Any retard can make 60k+ a year in the industry and most of the retards in NZ are in the IT industry doing just that. I'd be shit scared to be an IT employer in NZ because of this.
This legislation is good news, if you can't impress your employee in 90 days then tuff.
Also, if I employed someone and they got pregnant in 90 days then I sure as hell would fire her. I've got three kids of my own that I have to bring up. I'm not paying for someone elses as well.
Jim, you're bright enough and skilled enough to go out on your own. If you did, and you wanted to hire a sidekick, wouldn't you like some protection from making a hiring mistake, say someone who lied about their experience, convitction or body odour.
As per you work hours mate, for a company to continiously expect you to work over your contracted hours is not reasonable. Tell them you will only work passed you 7.5 hours a day twice a week, and one weekend a month. If work needs doing over and above this then let your boss know about it in an email and put the responsability on him to find resource. You've just got to learn to say NO, its fun.
Some things are worth dying for, living is one of them.
Highway Biker
I must admit I do have sympathy for the small business owners. Someone I know is trying to get rid of an employee who basically goes from job to job ripping their employer off. They (he) have enough knowledge of the employment laws to be able to push as far as he can without actually giving reason to be fired. It is proving very had to get rid of him and costing this small business a small fortune. The guy had the cheek to say he would leave for a small payout.
On the other side of the coin, I may be looking for a new job soon myself and hope that I don’t get shafted by a company that would do this but I know I am a good employee and if it does happen then I will simply have to look elsewhere. If they did that to me they certainly are not someone I would wish to work for anyway. It is the fear of the unknown that keeps me in a job where I don’t get respect I deserve, but in reality if you are a good employee then you should not have too much trouble getting a new job (depending on what you do I guess). Time will tell for me I guess.
I may be slow at getting things but..... no wait I'm just slow.
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Not 100% correct there. Even if you are totally in the right they can still take a PD against you. First step is mediation - if you cannot agree there you have to go to court - with all the associated legal and lost business time cost - that is why there are so many "settlements"
They have nothing to lose - they get a no-win no-fee lawyer - they are never going to be out of pocket.
I have also hired many, many people - but people DO lie in interviews and put on their best face - you are either lucky that you never hit a single 'bad one' or you may be blind to their quality once you had them in place?
People like that will always be out there - the 90 day period isn't going-to change that behaviour.
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Well I work for an IT corporate (a reasonably big one) too, and they treat us great.
Nobody is expected to work horrible hours. I've seen the boss ask people to work on weekends for urgent jobs (generally to win a contact) before, but it's rare, optional, and they're paid accordingly (generally by being able to take the Monday Tuesday off or whatever suits the employee).
They buy us all sorts of toys to keep us amused, feed us a couple of times a week, pad our salaries with perks etc, so can't complain much. They pay for us to take additional training during work hours etc, so we don't stagnate, in fact they even encourage it.
37.5 hours is all we're contracted for, any more than that is at your own discretion. I never make promises to customers on delivery dates that aren't attainable during my own working week, and I cut down anyone that tries to impose such ridiculous situations on me.
Jim, if you're finding you have to work crazy hours to do your work, then perhaps it's because you fuck around on this site too much
/edit: Wife is the production team lead for a small IT company (50 people in NZ, the dev arm of a larger US company)... she too is only expected to work 40 hours, although she is more likely to work later than I am... however they do look after them well too... iPods and other IT related presents aren't unusual.
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Wearing Hi-Viz Black.
After watching phill goff on the morning TV today, all I can say is "thank fuck JK is PM!".
What a knob end.
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