I think my Volty has had a seizure

[Choco]

Wel quite a few things COULD go wrong

Broken camchain. Cam chain off its sprocket. Broken conrod. Broken crankshaft. Mangled magneto. Primary drive sheared. Seized camshaft. Valve lost its cottars and bent. Broken cylinder holding down bolts (seen that). Broken cylinder barrel (seen that) . Sheared camshaft drive gear (dunno if there is one, but seen that too).

Thats quiet a list you have there!

The oil gallery is smashed to smithereens. I am very impressed that a little starter motor could exert that kind of force.

Sorry to hear your Bike's in a sorry state, hope you can get it going again!

[klingon]

...Did you managed to take any piccies?

Good point. Haven't taken any piccies yet, but will take my camera next time. I'm planning on keeping the offending parts to add them to my "offerings to the god of stationary." (My bike has only ever had problems when not moving!)

...
With the Volty, it looks as though something came off and did damage.
With the GN, I don't think that's the case, it was movable when it stopped, it wasn't 10 mins later. I think it's something less serious, I hope, and I'm low on $ to get it investigated until maybe early Feb.

Let me know what it costs if you get Holeshot to fix it. I've heard good things about them.

Sounds the same to me - the Volty was fine when I stopped, then when I tried to start her, the bolt sheared off and that's when the damage was done. I suggest removing the starter motor and see if anything changes (to eliminate problems inside the actual starter motor). If the bike still can't be bump-started, then Ixion's diagnosis of an issue with the starter clutch sounds likely (maybe not exactly the same as mine but somewhere in the vicinity).

I'm expecting quotes from Holeshot today and l will let you know. To have them take it apart and diagnose the problem has so far cost $180 for their labour + $50 to transport the bike from home to their workshop. If you can find out what the problem is by yourself you may save a bit of money and have a better idea what you're in for.

[xwhatsit]

Oh, I'm sorry to hear that.

I wonder what the starting price was on that `half-off' GN tardme engine?

[Squiggles]

Its not uncommon of course for them to drop valves, so i suppose you're lucky yours hasn't...

I've got two bottom ends worth of GN motors sitting in the gargre, but suspect it will be cheaper in the end for you to just buy a fresh motor from a wrecked GN (even a insurance writeoff, one sold last week for ~$750, easily parted out to recoup costs). Suspect it'll cost alot for the work of a rebuild at the shop... Don't mind giving a helping hand, but times limited these days

[klingon]

Its not uncommon of course for them to drop valves, so i suppose you're lucky yours hasn't...

I've got two bottom ends worth of GN motors sitting in the gargre, but suspect it will be cheaper in the end for you to just buy a fresh motor from a wrecked GN (even a insurance writeoff, one sold last week for ~$750, easily parted out to recoup costs). Suspect it'll cost alot for the work of a rebuild at the shop... Don't mind giving a helping hand, but times limited these days

So far I haven't managed to find a wrecked GN. You'd think they'd be as common as muck, what with learners falling off all the time and wrecking the rest of the bike! But no... seems to be nothing around right at this moment... Will keep looking though

[xwhatsit]

Hey what do you actually need? DR250 is the same, innit?

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Mo...-191118033.htm

Thirty-five bucks for a bottom end.

[Squiggles]

Hey what do you actually need? DR250 is the same, innit?

Not quite, DR is kick start only

[xwhatsit]

Not quite, DR is kick start only

Does that actually affect the crankcase? Hmm I suppose it would. I've seen RS cases and on the surface it looks like it's just a matter of the outer casings being different between the kickstart and electric versions.

I feel silly, but what exactly is this `oil gallery' people are talking about? Where the oil is pumped up from the oil pump?

[racerhead]

I feel silly, but what exactly is this `oil gallery' people are talking about? Where the oil is pumped up from the oil pump?

Yes thats exactly what it is. The oil pump supplies galleries with oil under pressure so it can be
carried to different parts of the engine.

[klingon]

Update: Holeshot has quoted me $1700 for a rebuild. The Volty had done about 50,000 km anyway, so there are all sorts of bits and pieces getting 'tired' and ready for replacement.

Instead, I've decided to go for the option of getting a whole used GN250 engine and replacing it. Please let me know if you see any GNs going cheap! Thanks!

[vifferman]

I feel silly, but what exactly is this `oil gallery' people are talking about?

It depends on the context, as there are several kinds.

• A place where various kinds of oil art are displayed, sometimes for sale, sometimes just for viewing.
• A place for oils to sit and observe the action (also known as "the cheap seats").
• A passage made by tunnelling creatures, in this case probably made by oil tunnelling its way through stuff.
• A platform on a ship (presumably an oil tanker).
• A long enclosed passageway or hall, presumably an oil hall?

[klingon]

• A long enclosed passageway or hall, presumably an oil hall?

Actually Mr Smart Alec, that's exactly what it is!

A long enclosed hall for the oil to be pushed through. In this case, it's built into the crank case. I really must go and get it from Holeshot and take a photo as it's quite spectacular after the bolt head has bashed its way through.

[portokiwi]

Anyone seen the guy wearing the Red and black half helmet. Looks like horse rider wear.
I saw him on the bridge heading towards the northen motorway. thin trou treandy sports shoes and no gloves.
When he pased me he was grinning so hard I thought I could see the bugs in his teeth lol. Yes he was riding a silver volty...

[vifferman]

Actually Mr Smart Alec, that's exactly what it is!

A long enclosed hall for the oil to be pushed through.

No kidding?!?
(Sorry - I'm reallyreallyreallyreallyreallyreallyreallyreallyre allyreallyreallyreally f'kn tired today, and reallyreallyreallyreallyreallyreallyreallyreallyre allyreallyreallyreally f'kn bored, and the computer's on the fritz, despite our New! Improved!! Systems Admin Dude.
I had to spell out to him that I can't work unless the database server actually has disk space ALL the time, not just occasionally.

[vifferman]

When he pased me he was grinning so hard I thought I could see the bugs in his teeth lol.

Grinning? Or was it the Death Rictus Mask of Sheer Terror?