Bike crash statistic thread for '09

[Katman]

The tragic crash at Akaroa is a good example.

In what way could "speed" be said to be responsible?

What about the speed that the rider was overtaking the line of cars at?

And it's probably not wise quoting Dodgyiti's mishap when it was directly caused by a motorcyclist riding like a fuckwit.

(Not Dodgyiti if anyone's wondering).

[arj127]

Why cant they just put the levy on the fuel, then anyone using it has made a contribution

[Mom]

Don't give me the shit that none of them were speeding or that there was nothing that they could have done to avoid the situation.

Fair call, but...

not all of them were speeding, and not all of them could have avoided what happened either. Sure bikers make mistakes on the road, so do car drivers. Sure there are dick head bike riders out there that have bigger balls than brains, the same applies to car drivers too.

Rider error/stupidity,driver error/stupidity, speed, poorly maintained vehicles, roads, poor design of roads etc are all reasons people lose their lives on the road. Sadly they take other innocent lives at the same time.

There are times shit simply happens to you.

[scumdog]

If half the Riders on this site stopped using the roads as their personal fucking racing track then the rider fatalities and injuries would drop like a stone particulary around the coro loop.

Riders should stop looking for excuses and look at themselves.

But that is not the KB way - blaming 'cagers' and bad roads is the KB way...

[mashman]

Natalie may have been lying and there was no car!!! If you want to find a cause you need to apportion blame... that's the nature of the insurance industry... someone has to pay and you're encouraged not to admit that it was your fault even when you know it was... that's the reason it's so complex when assigning blame for an incident... people lie!!!

Now if we could have the death penalty and a polygraph test you may find that people wouldn't lie about the crash, ACC levy's would be assigned correctly... politicians would become honest etc... Utopia!!!

Therefore i'd like to stand at the next byelection under the banner of "You Lie You Die"

[pzkpfw]

But that is not the KB way - blaming 'cagers' and bad roads is the KB way...

...and cops. We blame cops too.

[Ocean1]

But WHY?

Is it just what humans do? If it is, then we're screwed. It's never going to change...

Why is that so hard to believe? It's how we're built, and no law or outside opinion is likely to change an individual's hard-wired behavioural motivators.

And making laws that attempt to quantify such behaviour demonstrates another general anthropological observation: Laws are formed by a majority, as a means of controlling a perceived threat represented by a minority.

There's no justice here, it's a genuine witch hunt.

The fact that the witches are real is irrelevant.

[Katman]

Why cant they just put the levy on the fuel, then anyone using it has made a contribution

Fuck that. I haven't lodged any claim with ACC for over 20 years. Why should I pay for all the other fuckwits?

[Mom]

The tragic crash at Akaroa is a good example.

In what way could "speed" be said to be responsible?

I believe Katman is about to explain that as he was there, has taken all witness statements, infact talked to the riders of all the bikes involved, he will have the speed calculated from measurements he took at the scene. In fact Katman is about to eclipse the SCU here. Bet he will even be able to say if any of those involved had been drinking or not!

[scumdog]

The tragic crash at Akaroa is a good example.

In what way could "speed" be said to be responsible?

Or, any lack of skill on the part of any of the riders? They may or may not have been proficient, but neither lack of technical skill, nor speed caused that crash . Going slower would not have helped, and what skill is involved in overtaking a stream of cars. The crash was simply the result of either arrant stupidity or great misfortune (I do not know the area so I forbear to judge, though I suspect that I know which it was) . 'Skill' doesn't compensate for stupid, nor does slow.

Jeez Ixion, words fail me.

It's a troll, right? right?....

[arj127]

Fuck that. I haven't lodged any claim with ACC for over 20 years. Why should I pay for all the other fuckwits?

You are paying for them now. If your neighbour goes for a trail ride tomorrow and breaks his leg, ACC pays. Where did they get that money from. Not him, his bike isn't registered.

If its on the fuel, any one using has paid ACC. Even the dude cutting a tree at home who accidentally cuts his arm.

[Katman]

If its on the fuel, any one using has paid ACC. Even the dude cutting a tree at home who accidentally cuts his arm.

Fuck that. It should be user pays.

[mashman]

You are paying for them now. If your neighbour goes for a trail ride tomorrow and breaks his leg, ACC pays. Where did they get that money from. Not him, his bike isn't registered.

If its on the fuel, any one using has paid ACC. Even the dude cutting a tree at home who accidentally cuts his arm.

People fall off ladders every day and claim ACC and there isn't a vehicle in sight!!! ACC is ACC... there's no magic bullet for this one short of removing ACC and sticking 2 fingers up to the general public!!!

[arj127]

Either way it will be.

[Mom]

Jeez Ixion, words fail me.

It's a troll, right? right?....

How do we know what speed was involved? Apart from the media reports what have I got to form an opinion with? I have read a few things but I was not there. All I have to go on here is news reports of what has happened. I have a very strongly formed opinion of what I think happened, you would have to have rocks for brains if you can not work out for yourself how this crash happened.

One biker was killed, his pillion very badly injured, another rider also injured, they were travelling along minding their own business. Another biker and his pillion were killed as well. Fairly certain this pillion was not in any way responsible for what happened. Not rocket science eh?

Terrible thing to happen, tragic for the family and friends of all of the people that died.