When bikers kill bikers.

[Jantar]

Any one cop the wierd article in the dom post on sat last?

Guts is, every other category or road users are reducing in death rates except - you guessed it, motorcyclists... We are actually getting worse hence the attention - d'oh!

Yet the stats show that motorcycle death rates are the lowest thev'e been for a long time. The rate was 15.9 deaths per 10,000 motorcycles in 1995 and 4.8 per 10,000 in 2007. That is a great improvement.

The crash rate has also improved but not as much. Down from 306 crashes per 10,000 motorcycles in 1995 to 152 per 10,000 in 2007.

1995 was a very bad year, indeed the worst since 1973. So hopefully we have learnt something from that period till now.

I have always maintained that the most effective way to prevent motorcycle fatalities is to prevent the crashes in the first place. This not only reduces fatalities, but also the serious injuries that are often forgotten.

[Jantar]

There's probably some on here that will pat each other on the back when they read that article.

That is one of the sickest comments I have ever read on this site. Sometimes katman you do show a flash of brilliance, but then you go and ruin it with childish comment like this. If anyone takes delight in motorcyle deaths, it would yourself and Dipshit. You both post more on those threads than any other.

[Katman]

That is one of the sickest comments I have ever read on this site.

You're fucking joking, right?

The ostrich impersonations (of which you're a Grand Master) are considerably more obscene.

And if you're wondering what prompted the post, take a look at the number of times the phrase "most bins wins" crops up.

[Jantar]

You're fucking joking, right?

The ostrich impersonations (of which you're a Grand Master) are considerably more obscene.

And if you're wondering what prompted the post, take a look at the number of times the phrase "most bins wins" crops up.

Ok, I just did. it crops up 72 times out of 1,840,647 posts. That is 0.0039% of posts.

Most of those posts expousing the idea are by Carver, many, including your own, are saying how stupid the idea is.

As to the ostrich impersonation, both you and Dipshit have made that claim. Please back it up with factual examples.

[Paul in NZ]

Particularly you old fookers.

Who you callin' old boy?....... eh? wot time is it?

[Paul in NZ]

I have always maintained that the most effective way to prevent motorcycle fatalities is to prevent the crashes in the first place. .

Well I think we can all agree on that.....

[Katman]

As to the ostrich impersonation, both you and Dipshit have made that claim. Please back it up with factual examples.

Your constant attempts at downplaying statistics that show us (quite rightly) in a bad light is a prime example.

[Jantar]

Your constant attempts at downplaying statistics that show us (quite rightly) in a bad light is a prime example.

Downplaying statistics is one thing I wouldn't even know how to do. Can you please give me a single example where I have "downplayed" any actual statistics?

I do know how to read and to analyse statistics, and to put them in the correct context. If that is being ostrich like then please explain. I also prefer to go back to raw data rather than quote someone elses analysis.

[madbikeboy]

Yet the stats show that motorcycle death rates are the lowest thev'e been for a long time. The rate was 15.9 deaths per 10,000 motorcycles in 1995 and 4.8 per 10,000 in 2007. That is a great improvement.

The crash rate has also improved but not as much. Down from 306 crashes per 10,000 motorcycles in 1995 to 152 per 10,000 in 2007.

1995 was a very bad year, indeed the worst since 1973. So hopefully we have learnt something from that period till now.

I have always maintained that the most effective way to prevent motorcycle fatalities is to prevent the crashes in the first place. This not only reduces fatalities, but also the serious injuries that are often forgotten.

This is a fucking great post. This is interesting, and I reckon intuitively it makes sense. Any other interesting stats and facts?

[Katman]

This is a fucking great post. This is interesting, and I reckon intuitively it makes sense. Any other interesting stats and facts?

Open your eyes Mike. Regardless of whether you think they sound great, we are being watched. Others think our stats are bad (and I don't disagree) and their opinion will count for more than yours or mine.

[madbikeboy]

Open your eyes Mike. Regardless of whether you think they sound great, we are being watched. Others think our stats are bad (and I don't disagree) and their opinion will count for more than yours or mine.

Settle down bud, I understand that overall, the raw score of bikers killed is trending up - further, it sticks out like a sore thumb given that it's the only demographic that is trending up. However, it's interesting to see that when measured against a constant like 10,000 registrations (which kind of translates for me into an hours of operation type equation) that the number is trending down.

Okay, so putting this one back at your feet again, this is kind of neat throwing stuff back and forward - how could you actually effect the most change here?

[dipshit]

- how could you actually effect the most change here?

I myself would like to see motorcyclists own up to the fact that three-quarters of fatal motorcycle accidents were the fault of the rider... rather than blaming everything on everybody else. Many around here do actually think most motorcycle accidents are caused by car drivers. (and people like Jantar go hands over ears "no no no, this can't be true!)

Realising this may hopefully see more riders taking less risks on the roads and take more responsibility for their own safety.

I would also like to see the culture and attitude of faster = better, slowly get replaced with a bike culture and attitude that less carnage and fuckups = better. Less egotistical dick measuring "I am faster than you - therefore I am better than you" replaced with discipline and self-control and it doesn't matter how long it takes so long as I get there mentality.

It's about the space your head is in more than anything. "Skills" are worthless unless you have your head sorted first.

[Elysium]

I would also like to see the culture and attitude of faster = better, slowly get replaced with a bike culture and attitude that less carnage and fuckups = better. Less egotistical dick measuring "I am faster than you - therefore I am better than you" replaced with discipline and self-control and it doesn't matter how long it takes so long as I get there mentality.

Well you better get youself a scooter or the equivalent to one then because I think you have the wrong bike. Every SV or Firestorm I've seen on the road has been ridden hard and fast as they were designed to.

[edit] hmmm gotta love the tags this thread is picking up[edit]

[Ixion]

I myself would like to see motorcyclists own up to the fact that three-quarters of fatal motorcycle accidents were the fault of the rider... rather than blaming everything on everybody else. Many around here do actually think most motorcycle accidents are caused by car drivers. (and people like Jantar go hands over ears "no no no, this can't be true!)

Realising this may hopefully see more riders taking less risks on the roads and take more responsibility for their own safety.

I would also like to see the culture and attitude of faster = better, slowly get replaced with a bike culture and attitude that less carnage and fuckups = better. Less egotistical dick measuring "I am faster than you - therefore I am better than you" replaced with discipline and self-control and it doesn't matter how long it takes so long as I get there mentality.

It's about the space your head is in more than anything. "Skills" are worthless unless you have your head sorted first.

Tell me, do you actually ride your bike, other than maybe the nearest latte establishment ?

I am genuinely puzzled, because I can't see what you get out of motorcycling. Most riders, I can understand why they'r e in it, the reasons being many and various. But you seem to have no rationale.

By your own (often repeated) statement, having fun on a motorcycle is one degree worse than kiddie fiddling. So manifestly you do not ride for enjoyment.

And, given the bike you list , you certainly are not riding to commute,to save money (I ride an SV1000, no one would pick one to commute on - though at least no-one could say you were having fun).

And the bike is valuable enough that it could easily be swapped for a decent car, so it cannot be financial exigency.

And you seem to virulently hate every other biker you encounter, so it can hardly be for the cameraderie.

And while a good many riders own a bike simply for the pose factor, an SV1000 is not the sort of machine usually picked for such a purpose. If it were a Harley, yes, but an SV1000 is not a very impressive bike. It does go quite fast, but you claim to abstain from any such display ; and they do sound quite good, but again, I cannot see you being so antisocial.

I cannot comprehend any way that someone could be forced to ride a bike, yet that is the impression you give. That you are forced into this hateful and unpleasant task , and want nothing so much as never to have to do it again. Would you not be much happier in a cage?

[piston broke]

ffs katman and dipshit,
have you not realised yet that you're negative shit is putting more people off than bringing them onside.
i agree with some of what y'all saying but,
there is a difference between scratchin your ass and tearin it.
you have good points, but do you really need to push your barrow in every post.
i've only been here a little while,but do either of you have a positive,happy, post,i ain't seen one