When bikers kill bikers.

[dipshit]

Well you better get youself a scooter or the equivalent to one then because I think you have the wrong bike. Every SV or Firestorm I've seen on the road has been ridden hard and fast as they were designed to.

And that attitude is a part of the problem.

By this logic (and I realise it is widespread) if I happened to of brought a GSXR1000 - then I would have to ride it everywhere at 250kph. After all that's what the bike was designed for? I must go 250 + or others will think I am a pussy.

This is what I am talking about of the bike culture macho dick measuring bullshit. Allowing yourself to be influenced by peer pressure is stupid and a killer.

[Elysium]

This is what I am talking about of the bike culture of macho dick measuring bullshit. Allowing yourself to be influenced by peer pressure is stupid and a killer.

I've seen none of it so far in all my riding. The riders in the Palmy area I ride with ride at their own pace and I don't force myself to keep up with them. If they get too far for slow riders, then they wait at turn offs and intersections for them to catch up.

I don't see any forced peer pressure from motorcyle riders, in fact it is more a problem in boy cage racers then us bikers.

[shaymas]

you can say that again was in my car heading home when a harley two up over taks on a corner and a tin top had to move over or they would had been road kill and they were no gang members they were yuppes thought to my self the goes another dick head giving us riders a bad name

[Ixion]

Well, it always seems abit silly to buy a bike and not use it for the intended purpose. Sort of like a florist shop buying a kenworth truck to deliver a few bunches of flowers.

If one does not intend ever to go over speed limit + a bit , then why spend the money on a machine whose whole design is based around going speed limit + A BLOODY GREAT HONKING bit . There are other machines that will do the job better.

I ride (amidst other things) an SV1000s. I must agree: it does only one thing well . It goes fast (well, fast for a slow old Nanna like me) . But if I never wanted to go fast (only on a closed road, under controlled conditions, of course), then I would not bother with it. There's nothing whatsoever wrong with sedate pootling - riding is fun (forbiddden word !) at slow speeds too, and nowdays I very rarely venture north of 150, but if that was all I was ever going to do I would certainly choose a different bike. Horses for courses and all that.

[dipshit]

Tell me, do you actually ride your bike, other than maybe the nearest latte establishment ?

I am genuinely puzzled, because I can't see what you get out of motorcycling. Most riders, I can understand why they'r e in it, the reasons being many and various. But you seem to have no rationale.

I get a huge amount of enjoyment from my bike. My job gives me 6 days off in a row. I love nothing better than to load up the tent and sleeping bag and head off on exploring, photography, camping trips for several days at a time. The freedom and enjoyment of being out on the open road on my bike is awesome. Photography is big hobby of mine (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...85#post1808385) and the SV allows me to travel without costing a small fortune in petrol. Even if I am only cruising along at 110kph it still beats being in a car any day.

[piston broke]

I get a huge amount of enjoyment from my bike. My job gives me 6 days off in a row. I love nothing better than to load up the tent and sleeping bag and head off on exploring, photography, camping trips for several days at a time. The freedom and enjoyment of being out on the open road on my bike is awesome. Photography is big hobby of mine (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...85#post1808385) and the SV allows me to travel without costing a small fortune in petrol. Even if I am only cruising along at 110kph it still beats being in a car any day.

so why try to bring all of us down with you're b.s posts.
remember most of us ride sensibly(sp).
time to post some more positive posts eh?
p.s a nice post from you,bring them on.

[dipshit]

I've seen none of it so far in all my riding.

Bullshit, you just said...

"Well you better get youself a scooter or the equivalent to one then because I think you have the wrong bike. Every SV or Firestorm I've seen on the road has been ridden hard and fast as they were designed to."

[nudemetalz]

Funny (I mean that in an intuitive sense) that you guys say that the rider is mostly to blame.
I had one instance today when I was going up for a ride to the top of the Rimutakas.
I went onto the passing lane (of which there are many but they're quite short) and overtook a car. Just as I was going back into the left lane, a rider two-up coming the other way on an Aprilia (I think) came tearing around the corner at great speed and overtook a car utilising my overtaking lane !!
If I hadn't have pulled into the left lane quickly I would have had a head-on.

So I for one saw some dangerous RIDING today. I was not happy !!!

[piston broke]

come,on.
still waitin on the reply to mt post 105,you two.
are katman and dipshit one and the same?




oop's sorry i think i just saw something positive from dippy.
maybe they are two different peep's.
+1 dippy

[Swoop]

I understand that overall, the raw score of bikers killed is trending up - further, it sticks out like a sore thumb given that it's the only demographic that is trending up.

Remember that we have come out of 2008, the year when petrol prices were encouraging :
#1: Cars NOT to be used,
#2: Public transport to be heavily utilised, and
#3: More people getting onto bikes.
#4: Vegetablists encouraging any alternative to a petrol-powered motor.
A good year for swaying statistics.

[mister.koz]

Its easy to say "crash numbers have increased by 50%" and neglect to mention that there are nearly twice the motorcycles on the road. This is why calculus is better that statistics

It looks like crash rates per vehicle type etc have reduced across the board but motorcycles haven't reduced as much per road registration (as stated earlier).

... take a look at the number of times the phrase "most bins wins" crops up. ...

Those guys are taking the piss and poking fun to wind people up - they do it so well, suckered?

I think a useful statistic would be how many rides have the mormon few guys actually binned on after saying that? I am guessing not many... Carver?

Funny (I mean that in an intuitive sense) that you guys say that the rider is mostly to blame.
I had one instance today when I was going up for a ride to the top of the Rimutakas.
I went onto the passing lane (of which there are many but they're quite short) and overtook a car. Just as I was going back into the left lane, a rider two-up coming the other way on an Aprilia (I think) came tearing around the corner at great speed and overtook a car utilising my overtaking lane !!
If I hadn't have pulled into the left lane quickly I would have had a head-on.

So I for one saw some dangerous RIDING today. I was not happy !!!

There's idiots on the road on all forms of vehicle...

Anyone stopped to think that we are all riders here and probably notice (or pay closer attention to) other bikes on the road, I usually try and get as far away from cars on the road but am quite happy to stick a little closer to other riders.

Seems to me that Katman (and others?) see all these people making the assumption that cars are normally to blame which is a subjective (albeit inaccurate) perception, because the scale is so unbalanced they provide the antigen to the statement as loud as possible and then throw in a few insults and rants to boot.

Makes perfect sense if you take their ferocity back a couple of notches.

Another useful statistic would be "how many riders think that they can pay less attention or apply less care on the road when they are riding as opposed to driving the car?"

[Elysium]

Bullshit, you just said...

"Well you better get youself a scooter or the equivalent to one then because I think you have the wrong bike. Every SV or Firestorm I've seen on the road has been ridden hard and fast as they were designed to."

Yes I said.

This is what I am talking about of the bike culture macho dick measuring bullshit. Allowing yourself to be influenced by peer pressure is stupid and a killer.

ridden hard and fast as they were designed to

B]macho dick measuring bullshit

Those are two different things.
One can ride hard and fast when rider is experienced, conditions right, right peice of road, ridden within the bikes limit and knows what they're doing, the other is just showing off which includes stupid stunts or over-taking in wrong places etc...

You have the wrong bike because nearly all your posts so far makes you sound like a reall nanna biker.

[Katman]

Lets get this straight.

I have never said "DO NOT EVER RIDE OVER THE SPEED LIMIT".

I have always said get enjoyment (not fun - motorcycles aren't toys) from riding while leaving plenty of margin for dealing with the expected.

250kph, even on a straight section of road, doesn't leave any margin if an animal were to run out from the side of the road.

Those of you who are trying to put words into dipshit's and my mouths are starting to show your desperation.

(And 96 600ss, if it's nice stories you want, go watch Willy Wonka's Chocolate Factory).

[Hitcher]

I've got an idea.

Let's take responsibility for our own actions.

[Fatjim]

I myself would like to see motorcyclists own up to the fact that three-quarters of fatal motorcycle accidents were the fault of the rider...

The problem here is that most non fatal accidents that people talk about are not the fault of the rider, and dead riders opinions don't count. For example the number of "cager didn't see me" threads vastly outnumber the "I was going to fast for the corner" threads.


How can you get people who are not dead to acknowledge their fault in fatal accidents?