Gaza

[SixPackBack]

ok.......................... i am pretty sure that Hamas knows EXACTLY what will happen and they drag the BBC, CNN and Al Jezera around by the nose rings to make the hippies freak out

No one is buying this time SARGE........Hamas deserve to be hammered, fortunately the Jews have a good track record on handing out a hiding

[Oscar]

Indeed it is. But Mr Fisk isn't as impartial as the epithet "journalist" may lead some people to believe.

Ahh, but my own particular motto is "Not Grumpy - Aggressively Cynical".

[SARGE]

No one is buying this time SARGE........Hamas deserve to be hammered, fortunately the Jews have a good track record on handing out a hiding

as ive said before .. hit them till they dont get up anymore .. war aint playtime and this aint the Marquess of Queensberry rules

dont want civilians killed?.. stop hiding behind them and come out and play like big boys..

[Maki]

as ive said before .. hit them till they dont get up anymore .. war aint playtime and this aint the Marquess of Queensberry rules

dont want civilians killed?.. stop hiding behind them and come out and play like big boys..

Bully: " a blustering browbeating person ; especially : one habitually cruel to others who are weaker"

Is that you, Sarge?

What would you call a country that has nuclear weapons, and conventional arms including this impressive air force:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...-equipment.htm
That fights a so called war against people who barely have enough resources to put together a few rockets?

Big boys can fight each other fairly. Big boys that gang up on a single weak person are not fighters, they are cowards.

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Let's look at this another way. You are in a European country occupied by Nazis during WW2. You are active in the resistance against the Germans. Would you put on a uniform and go out and fight the German army like a "big boy". Does that make sense to you?

[SARGE]

Bully: " a blustering browbeating person ; especially : one habitually cruel to others who are weaker"

Is that you, Sarge?

What would you call a country that has nuclear weapons, and conventional arms including this impressive air force:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...-equipment.htm
That fights a so called war against people who barely have enough resources to put together a few rockets?

Big boys can fight each other fairly. Big boys that gang up on a single weak person are not fighters, they are cowards.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Let's look at this another way. You are in a European country occupied by Nazis during WW2. You are active in the resistance against the Germans. Would you put on a uniform and go out and fight the German army like a "big boy". Does that make sense to you?

yea..duped by the liberal media

is that you maki??

personal attacks are so yesterday.. you will of course notice that i have not resorted to any..

the resistance fighters in WW2 Europe didnt hide behind women and children.. didnt blow up markets with suicide bombs strapped to mentally handicapped women and didnt run a car bomb into groups of children being handed candy by allied soldiers just to kill 3 soldiers..

welcome to reality dude.. turn off your tv for a few minutes

[Oscar]

ok.. lets compare the tactics of Hamas with those of the Al Queda groups in Iraq..








life is cheap to these pricks .. women , children, mentally handicapped, dogs, cats, flying squirrels..

i am pretty sure that Hamas knows EXACTLY what will happen and they drag the BBC, CNN and Al Jezera around by the nose rings to make the hippies freak out

Why don't you make up your mind?

One minute its:

.. war aint playtime and this aint the Marquess of Queensberry rules

..and the next your bleating about their methods. If the rules don't apply to you, why should they play fair? Get a grip - I'm not saying anything Al Queda or Hamas has done is right - but you'd better get your story straight.

I don't recall any Septics being this forthright when members of my family were fighting (US funded) Provo scum.

And as for this:

dont want civilians killed?.. stop hiding behind them and come out and play like big boys..

Would you, ya big hero?
Take on the IDF with a bunch of irregulars armed with AK47's and RPGs?
What fucking movie are watching in place of reality?

[Oscar]

You might not support one side over the other, but I do.

May Allah and Mohammed kiss the soles of the shoes of Israels prostitutes...

7 million people in Israel.

Invaded by 200 million arabs... in:

1948 Invaded by Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon and Iraq - who lost.

1949-1950 Jordan annexed what became known as the West Bank and East Jerusalem, and Egypt took control of the Gaza Strip.

1950-1956 continuous war with Egyptian fedayeen from Gaza strip

1948-1952 In Libya, Jews were deprived citizenship, and in Iraq, their property was seized.

1956, Egypt, in an act of war, closed the Straits of Tiran to Israeli shipping, and blockaded the Gulf of Aqaba, in contravention of the Constantinople Convention. Israel responded on October 29, 1956, by invading the Sinai Peninsula with British and French support. During the Suez Canal Crisis, Israel captured the Gaza Strip and Sinai Peninsula.

1967, Egypt deployed 100,000 soldiers in the Sinai Peninsula. It again closed the Straits of Tiran to Israeli shipping, returning the region to the way it was in 1956 when Israel was blockaded.

1967, Jordan entered into the mutual defense pact between Egypt and Syria intending to destroy Israel. The Israeli Air Force (IAF) destroyed most of the surprised Egyptian Air Force, then turned east to pulverize the Jordanian, Syrian and Iraqi air forces. At the war's end, Israel had gained control of the Sinai Peninsula, the Gaza Strip, the West Bank, eastern Jerusalem, and the Golan Heights.

Unsurprisingly, given history, Israel didnt give them back this time.

1967, Arab leaders met in Khartoum in response to the war, to discuss the Arab position toward Israel. They reached consensus that there should be:
No recognition of the State of Israel.
No peace with Israel.
No negotiations with Israel.

1969, Egypt initiated the War of Attrition, with the goal of exhausting Israel into surrendering the Sinai Peninsula.

1973, Syria and Egypt attacked Israel on Yom Kippur, initially overwhelming the surprised Israeli military. When Israel had turned the tide of war, the USSR threatened military intervention. The United States, wary of nuclear war, secured a ceasefire on October 25

After this date, Israel stopped waiting to be attacked.

1981, Israel successfully attacked and destroyed newly built Iraqi nuclear facilities.

1981,Iraq fired 39 missiles into Israel, in the hopes of uniting the Arab world. At the behest of the United States, Israel did not respond to this attack in order to prevent a greater outbreak of war.

The bad guys here all wear hankies on their heads, love Allah and Mohammed, want to mutilate your little girls and use violence to make you appreciate their god.

There are 1b Muslims in the world, and you hate each and every one?
Should they all suffer for the sins of a few?

You perhaps don't think that Israel may be provoking these guys, do you (there is an election pending)? Actually the IDF Commander was on TV a little while ago and he said it was the chance of a generation to rid themselves of Hamas. The problem is they obviously don't care how many non-combatants are killed too.

[Jantar]

....What would you call a country that has nuclear weapons, and conventional arms including this impressive air force:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...-equipment.htm
That fights a so called war against people who barely have enough resources to put together a few rockets?....

What would you call an armed political group that barely has enough resources to put together a few rockets that indiscriminately fires those rockets against a country that has nuclear weapons, and conventional arms including this impressive air force:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...-equipment.htm ?

I'd call them stupid, unless, that is, they can also muster enough spin to make some people believe that they are the innocent victims.

Maki. May I ask what race/religion you are? I do believe that your bias is more than simple naivity.

[Hitcher]

Big boys that gang up on a single weak person are not fighters, they are cowards.

That depends on whether or not the single weak person is being a cunt. Or not.

[SARGE]

Would you, ya big hero?
Take on the IDF with a bunch of irregulars armed with AK47's and RPGs?

nah.. wouldnt stand toe-to-toe with a better armed opponent..but i wouldnt use human shields either..

reality is relative Oscar..mine is different from yours is different from joe blogs etc.. ..i've seen the reality of combat.. ive seen the tactics these clowns use and ive had the reality of pulling my dead mates out of a smoldering pile of rubble in a shithole middle eastern country after some "freedom Fighter" Hezbollah douchbag thought he'd send us to hell with a truck bomb..whats the worst thing youve ever seen bro?..(if youre a Vet..i apologize..if not..)

Combat is a strange new world bro..situations changes by the micro-second and if youve ever lived in RIGHT NOW longer than it takes a stoplight to change then you can understand what i mean..if your enemy's are hiding amongst the civillian population the stress levels go off the chart.. that woman in a wheelchair .. that 10 year old boy.. the old man with a shopping bag.. then you miss the sniper on the roof or the guy in the second story window tossing grenades into your vehicle or the other guy with the RPG behind the skip..

apparently, the "rules of War" no longer apply in combat.. anyone can be a combatant.. my father was in Viet Nam and told me stories of kids running up to the GI's with an apparently icy cold Coke ( filled with crushed glass) or offering a shoe shine with a shoe shine box filled with explosives..

let me ask you THIS then.. if, as posted earlier, NZ was invaded by Indonesia.. youd YOU strap a C4 backpack onto your kid?

i wouldnt .. but i WOULD target supply lines, C&C bunkers and make life completely miserable for the invaders.. but again.. i wouldnt hide behind women and children (god.. i hate having to explain this over and over..)

[Oscar]

let me ask you THIS then.. if, as posted earlier, NZ was invaded by Indonesia.. youd YOU strap a C4 backpack onto your kid?

i wouldnt .. but i WOULD target supply lines, C&C bunkers and make life completely miserable for the invaders.. but again.. i wouldnt hide behind women and children (god.. i hate having to explain this over and over..)

And this is what it comes down to.

I wouldn't strap C4 to my kid, but neither would I take the chance of killing your kids so as to kill you.

You can talk about the rules of war all you like, but a dead kid is a dead kid and whoever caused its death is a war criminal, and I don't care if he is a Hamas fighter indiscriminately firing rockets into Israel or a IDF Pilot using guided missiles to try and kill the kids' neighbour down the street who is suspected of being Hamas.

[retro asian]

Maybe the middle east thing is bla bla to him now, being 5-6 years old now.

Its a few 1000 years old actually...

[SARGE]

And this is what it comes down to.

I wouldn't strap C4 to my kid, but neither would I take the chance of killing your kids so as to kill you.

You can talk about the rules of war all you like, but a dead kid is a dead kid and whoever caused its death is a war criminal, and I don't care if he is a Hamas fighter indiscriminately firing rockets into Israel or a IDF Pilot using guided missiles to try and kill the kids' neighbour down the street who is suspected of being Hamas.

love your work man.. really.. but again.. in a situation like this.. when you have fighters hidin g amongst the general population hoping that the enemy wont come after you for fear of collateral damage you only have 2 choices..

1) you back down and let the insurgents continue to kill YOUR kids (its a death-spiral from there.. trust me)

2) unleash the dogs of war so the cost to the enemy is too great to bear

Israel is surrounded by Jordan, Syria and all kinds of religious neer-do-wells who claim the holy land for themselves.. its a fucking patch of sand for christs sake.. there is no place on earth that requires a "big stick" foreign policy more than Israel..

maybe we just get everyone together on the Plains of Armageddon and let the party get started.. i'll have a middle management job either way

[Bullitt]

This has to be the oddest war Ive ever experienced. Its even got to the point my gf flat out refuses to discuss it with me. Ive never seen so many people support the bad guys before.

I dont understand how anyone can condone Hamas's actions. I fail to see how theyre really any different from any of the other islamic terrorist groups that have plagued the world for the last while, the only difference is theyre the elected representatives of a country rather than just operating from it...which makes it even worse.

If the people like Maki got their way and Israel was pushed into the sea would you still support their actions? because they wouldnt stop there.

How about wanting to behead Madonna, is that reasonable?

[SARGE]

How about wanting to behead Madonna, is that reasonable?

ummm... yea.. and Justin fucking timberlake right after that