Police admit shooting innocent 17-year-old

[HenryDorsetCase]

So I'm the only one who realises that this "Innocent" has a 16 year old "fiancee" and a two year old child with her.?

unpreposessing specimens, all. How did they get a breeding licence?

[Dilligaf]

Legally it makes him nothing of the sort.
Under New Zealand's laws you are quite within your rights to shag senseless your under-16-year-old girlfriend provided that you too are under 16. You just need to remember to withdraw immediately when you are aged 15 years, 364 days, 23 hours, 59 minutes and 59 seconds or face the full fury of the law.

Sorry Hitch, whilst I have changed my original statement to the view that he is not guilty of statutory rape, my research on NZ law still leaves me with the view that it is still illegal to have sex before 16. Since they were both similar in age, neither would have been prosecuted for rape, but they are guilty of underage sex.
Consumer has a page on law http://www.consumer.org.nz/topic.asp...e%20law&bhcp=1

and also this from the Beehive : regarding the slight change in law regarding consent.

Consequently, the danger now is that a message is received that under-age sex is condoned. This is not the case.

But hey, maybe he'd changed his life since this mistake...

And for those with questions about child support (from Consumer again):

My daughter Melissa, who is 16, is pregnant. She and her boyfriend Jack, the father, are unsure of their rights and responsibilities.

If your daughter has a baby, the father must help to pay for the child. If necessary, the Inland Revenue Department can use the Child Support Act to make him. If Melissa was under 16, you would be legally obliged to provide her with food and shelter.

Melissa and Jack may be entitled to receive an allowance or benefit during the pregnancy and for some time afterwards. They should contact Work and Income New Zealand early for more information, as eligibility varies widely depending on the circumstances

[Max Preload]

If the elements that randomly fire weapons at Police, aren't obeying the "rules"... why should police in their attempts to stop them. RULES apply to BOTH

Didn't your Mum teach you anything? Two wrongs don't make a right...

Burton's intent was suicide by Police. I am sure he would have located a weapon somehow, somewhere.

Or perhaps not. It certainly shouldn't be made easier for them though...

A 14-15 year old that most likely dropped out of school and got a job to support a family would be very deserving of praise, Dilligaf. Thought about it that way? I'm older and I'd about shit a brick if that happened to me... If he is 17 and has a 2 year old kid then it wasn't statutory, they were both underage... But there aren't many on this site that can honestly say they waited for their 16th birthay, or would have waited that long if given a choice...

Isn't it funny how in NZ you must appear to be redeeming yourself in order to receive praise and admiration and those who haven't fucked up largely get ignored?

Legally it makes him nothing of the sort. Under New Zealand's laws you are quite within your rights to shag senseless your under-16-year-old girlfriend provided that you too are under 16. You just need to remember to withdraw immediately when you are aged 15 years, 364 days, 23 hours, 59 minutes and 59 seconds or face the full fury of the law.

Correct. The young person in respect of whom an offence against this section was committed cannot be charged as a party to the offence if the person who committed the offence was of or over the age of 16 years when the offence was committed. You're offending against each other and neither can be held accountable unless you keep offending once one of you attains the age of 16 until such time as the other attains the age of 16 years.

I am aware of this, but the point is that he didn't just sit around and expect people to hand him money.

There's no evidence of that - he was doing his mothers run because she was about to pop out sprog #9.

[HenryDorsetCase]

because she was about to pop out sprog #9.

mmMMMMmmmmm. must not judge........

[SARGE]

I don't know much about guns lol my bad

the loud end goes that way --->

[Dilligaf]

A 14-15 year old that most likely dropped out of school and got a job to support a family would be very deserving of praise, Dilligaf. Thought about it that way? .

Surely you jest? The mere fact that he took care of his responsibilities means just that. It does not make him a role model.
What a sad state society is in when hanging around when you've produced offspring elevates you to hero.

I am aware of this, but the point is that he didn't just sit around and expect people to hand him money.

Again, this makes him remarkable because....?

Hang on, I've just remembered I'm in NZ

[Max Preload]

Sorry Hitch, whilst I have changed my original statement to the view that he is not guilty of statutory rape, my research on NZ law still leaves me with the view that it is still illegal to have sex before 16. Since they were both similar in age, neither would have been prosecuted for rape, but they are guilty of underage sex.
Consumer has a page on law http://www.consumer.org.nz/topic.asp...e%20law&bhcp=1

The 'Consumer' link is correct - in the example one of the participants is over the age of 16 and one is under - the one over 16 is committing an offence.

I'm fairly sure my son Wiremu, who is 14, and his girlfriend Faith, who is 16, are having sex. Is this legal?
No. Under the Crimes Act, the age of consent for boys and girls is 16. It is illegal for Faith to have sex with Wiremu.

Consequently, the danger now is that a message is received that under-age sex is condoned. This is not the case.

And not condoning and being illegal are two completely different things.

[HenryDorsetCase]

What a sad state society is in when hanging around when you've produced offspring elevates you to hero.

Maybe in that community it does.

[HenryDorsetCase]

the loud end goes that way --->

<---------- what if the baddie is over this way?

[SARGE]

<---------- what if the baddie is over this way?

Improvise, Adapt and Overcome

[doc]

OKay, my point is that while I think that it is incredibly unfortunate that this young man died
Even this thread title claims that this young man was innocent. I question that - after reading that he and his fiancee had a child together when she was 14 and he 15. (made even worse perhaps once you also take into consideration the 9 months gestation period). Now forgive me, but legally they have both broken the law. Hardly the "role model" and "innocent" young man that we are being told about.

I had similiar thoughts about his age and family status, but wouldn't air them in public. The guy is still an innocent victim. The internet has bought a sad era to our lives when you can sort of snipe at the dead from the anonimity of a keyboard.

This is sort of like women who have been genuinely raped, having to account for having sex previously, being bought up in court.

What ever this guy's background is he didn't deserve to die like this.

[HenryDorsetCase]

What ever this guy's background is he didn't deserve to die like this.

I do agree with that.

[Usarka]

Surely you jest? The mere fact that he took care of his responsibilities means just that. It does not make him a role model.
What a sad state society is in when hanging around when you've produced offspring elevates you to hero.

Another couple of beers and I'd be using foul language.

Have a go at the media, not the person involved.

He was known to some members of this site. Not that it should matter.

[XxKiTtiExX]

the loud end goes that way --->

Thats not what I was told

[Owl]

"P" anyone?

No thanks Patrick, but I'll take the cash equivalent if you're offering!

I could do with some more bike bits!