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    I see the discussion has been crushed as usual.

    I've not seen any factual evidence that there was a U-Turn involved yet. Just an anecdote from someone who spoke to someone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ixion View Post
    "able to stop in the clear distance of road visible ahead" seems to cover it.

    Yes. That's my point. In my instance, there's a blind crest with cheescutters on the side. You reach the top and there's about 20 metres until the end of the cheescutters left.

    Where the accident occurred the rider most likely COULDN'T see the car until he had 20 metres to stop. At 100 km/hr the laws of physics are against you.

    My point is that you can't do the speed the road is signposted for because of the possibility of someone doing something completely mindless.

    How can you anticipate completely mindless actions?
    And I to my motorcycle parked like the soul of the junkyard. Restored, a bicycle fleshed with power, and tore off. Up Highway 106 continually drunk on the wind in my mouth. Wringing the handlebar for speed, wild to be wreckage forever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James Deuce View Post
    I see the discussion has been crushed as usual.

    I've not seen any factual evidence that there was a U-Turn involved yet. Just an anecdote from someone who spoke to someone.
    I've looked at the accident site. It seems extremely plausible given the location and the marks on the road.
    And I to my motorcycle parked like the soul of the junkyard. Restored, a bicycle fleshed with power, and tore off. Up Highway 106 continually drunk on the wind in my mouth. Wringing the handlebar for speed, wild to be wreckage forever.

    - James Dickey, Cherrylog Road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by riffer View Post
    Yes. That's my point. In my instance, there's a blind crest with cheescutters on the side. You reach the top and there's about 20 metres until the end of the cheescutters left.

    Where the accident occurred the rider most likely COULDN'T see the car until he had 20 metres to stop. At 100 km/hr the laws of physics are against you.

    My point is that you can't do the speed the road is signposted for because of the possibility of someone doing something completely mindless.

    How can you anticipate completely mindless actions?
    You can't. Which is why one must ride in such a way that even when someone does do something completely mindless, one can still avoid them.

    The fact that a road is signposted for 100kph is completely irrelevant. I know many roads signposted such, where that speed is simply too dangerous. The law allows it, the bike can do it, I won't.

    The signed speed is a maximum set by law. The actual speed should be set by safety.Which includes being able to stop when someone does something mindless. Because, sure a God made little green apples, they will.

    Blind hills and blind corners are the NZ drivers' (and riders') biggest failing. The road code sets out (or used to , anyway) clear and simple guidelines for them. Everybody ignores them , confident that some unnamed power is responsible for making sure there is never any obstruction on the other side. I prefer not to trust to unknown unnamed powers. That makes me a Nana, to be sure. So be it.
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    Hmmm. And yet we continue to make "safety" improvements by placing wire rope barriers over the only possible escape routes...

    not to mention ending them at a point which enables people to do u-turns at the most dangerous place.

    What sort of idiots are designing our roads?
    And I to my motorcycle parked like the soul of the junkyard. Restored, a bicycle fleshed with power, and tore off. Up Highway 106 continually drunk on the wind in my mouth. Wringing the handlebar for speed, wild to be wreckage forever.

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    although a solid barrier would prevent any u turns except in proper turning places

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    Quote Originally Posted by riffer View Post
    Still trying desperately to get some meaning from the latest biker down thread ...

    ... I'm still wondering how the hell to anticipate a u-turning driver on the wrong side of a blind crest.
    .

    i don't understand this thread at all, but riding over a blind crest at 100km/h takes a fair bit of chance, no matter if it's SH1 or Waikikamukau Rd - what if there was a horse/cow/child/crash blocking the road? it will PROBABLY be clear, but there's always that very small chance that it won't be. by riding over the crest at speed unable to stop in clear road ahead, you take the chance. if it's not your day, it's gonna hurt.

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    On a slightly different tangent........imagine this scenario.

    One weekend there are two people killed in seperate accidents on our roads.

    No information is released regarding the accidents except that one involved a car and the other involved a motorcycle.

    Now unbeknown to us, the car driver was a person who devoted their life to helping others while the motorcyclist was a P dealer.

    I imagine we would immediately be inundated with messages of "R.I.P. my brother" while not a single mention is made of the car driver.

    A bit twisted, don't you think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katman View Post
    A bit twisted, don't you think?

    Yeah, but life is twisted. Haven't you noticed yet?
    And I to my motorcycle parked like the soul of the junkyard. Restored, a bicycle fleshed with power, and tore off. Up Highway 106 continually drunk on the wind in my mouth. Wringing the handlebar for speed, wild to be wreckage forever.

    - James Dickey, Cherrylog Road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by riffer View Post
    Hmmm. And yet we continue to make "safety" improvements by placing wire rope barriers over the only possible escape routes...

    not to mention ending them at a point which enables people to do u-turns at the most dangerous place.

    What sort of idiots are designing our roads?
    Ah, that's quite another matter. probably, the same idiots that do U turns in absurd places.
    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark
    This world has lost it's drive, everybody just wants to fit in the be the norm as it were.
    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Vincent
    The manufacturers go to a lot of trouble to find out what the average rider prefers, because the maker who guesses closest to the average preference gets the largest sales. But the average rider is mainly interested in silly (as opposed to useful) “goodies” to try to kid the public that he is riding a racer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katman View Post
    On a slightly different tangent........imagine this scenario.

    One weekend there are two people killed in seperate accidents on our roads.

    No information is released regarding the accidents except that one involved a car and the other involved a motorcycle.

    Now unbeknown to us, the car driver was a person who devoted their life to helping others while the motorcyclist was a P dealer.

    I imagine we would immediately be inundated with messages of "R.I.P. my brother" while not a single mention is made of the car driver.

    A bit twisted, don't you think?
    You are confuting two quite different matters.

    One, an expression of sympathy for a dead or injured bike, Which I agree can be somewhat inane, but which (I hope) be extended if the biker had met his demise from (say) cancer of heart failure

    And, on a totally different tack, the examination of crashes to see if any lessons can be learned therefrom, or any already known precepts reinforced. These do not need to be fatalities, or indeed, even crashes. But, nature being what it is, it is only when a crash occurs (and usually a serious one) that the issue warrants public attention and thus generate discussion. After all no newspaper is going to report "A motorcyclist rode over a blind hill crest at too fast a speed, but there was no obstruction on the road and nothing happened".
    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark
    This world has lost it's drive, everybody just wants to fit in the be the norm as it were.
    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Vincent
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katman View Post
    On a slightly different tangent........imagine this scenario.

    One weekend there are two people killed in seperate accidents on our roads.

    No information is released regarding the accidents except that one involved a car and the other involved a motorcycle.

    Now unbeknown to us, the car driver was a person who devoted their life to helping others while the motorcyclist was a P dealer.

    I imagine we would immediately be inundated with messages of "R.I.P. my brother" while not a single mention is made of the car driver.

    A bit twisted, don't you think?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katman View Post
    On a slightly different tangent........imagine this scenario.

    One weekend there are two people killed in seperate accidents on our roads.

    No information is released regarding the accidents except that one involved a car and the other involved a motorcycle.

    Now unbeknown to us, the car driver was a person who devoted their life to helping others while the motorcyclist was a P dealer.

    I imagine we would immediately be inundated with messages of "R.I.P. my brother" while not a single mention is made of the car driver.

    A bit twisted, don't you think?
    Dude you've gone too far.

    You've had your say on these threads and its been discussed and a large percentage wanted them to stay and a large group wanted them gone. This is a community and because a bunch want them to stay that seems to be the end of the story but noooo...... someone didn't get there way....... and apparently they're used to getting they're way.....FON.

    So please wander off and post threads to discuss whether we have these threads or not instead of sabotaging them.

    You sound like the kid who doesn't get there way so you whine and whine and whine and whine, and throw a tantrum, throw some toys out of the cot then whine and scream and yell. Yeah we get it. You're unhappy. You're used to getting your way. Well that's not how life works. How about a little respect for other users and their views on what this thread is about.

    Please tell me you're not going to post up in every single thread that pops up and play the same old record. FFS can we not get some peace.

    Dude it's not a good look and me thinks you should maybe take some time to think about whether you should stop the same old posts in these threads. Clearly these threads are not here for you at all and posting off topic in them continuosly is so far over the f....kin top that it's just ridiculous.

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    A motorcyclist is undergoing surgery in Waikato Hospital in Hamilton following a collision on State Highway 30 north of Mangakino in the South Waikato.

    It happened late this morning and has left one man dead and three other people injured, one with serious leg wounds. Police say it appears two motorbikes collided, one northbound, the other southbound. The northbound bike appears to have crossed the centre line into the path of two southbound bikes.

    A 47-year-old Te Aroha man on one of the southbound bikes was killed and his 48-year-old woman passenger injured. Two people on the third bike had a lucky escape. The man riding the other southbound bike was shaken but not hurt; his woman passenger was injured.

    The seriously injured rider and the two women, who had minor injuries, were flown to Waikato Hospital.
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    I dont know about you but I care when any motorcycle rider gets hit.
    It realy feels good to get the support at the end of the day too.
    Sorry thats just how I feel.
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