Booze laws not working. Shame drivers and crush cars, say police

**Grahameeboy** · 16th February 2009, 18:58

Originally Posted by EatOrBeEaten

Aye, but you can't fight a war against wankers on all fronts. Think about it.

A sustained, focused attempt to shift attitudes on one thing is far easier to do than some generic "stop driving like a cunt" campaign.

If I'm teaching a class of bastards, it's far easier to direct my attack on one aspect of their antisocialness. Getting them all to do one thing right and build on it is easier than an all-out offensive that they switch off to...

So why not concentrate on the 70% then...I think the problem with drinking is that it is not considered "antisocialness"

**Genestho** · 16th February 2009, 19:02

Originally Posted by EatOrBeEaten

In the UK it worked by making it socially unacceptable. Mr. Pisshead might think it's OK to get behind the wheel, but his mates won't...

Re; the Mate, Mate, Mate guys name tv ad...

Like Renegade Master also said Society's attitude towards change is more effective...
BUT when you've got Munters that drink together and find it acceptable to drive after drinking...and its been going on for 20 years...then Law has to step in and stop them in their tracks.

**carver** · 16th February 2009, 19:02

Originally Posted by EatOrBeEaten

In the UK it worked by making it socially unacceptable. Mr. Pisshead might think it's OK to get behind the wheel, but his mates won't...

social engineering, just like all the teenage mums getting council flats, its brilliant.

**The Stranger:Me** · 16th February 2009, 19:18

Originally Posted by Patrick

Long over due...

Shouldn't matter whose car it is either.

Bring it on.

I hope no piss head steals your car.

**EatOrBeEaten** · 16th February 2009, 19:21

Originally Posted by carver

social engineering, just like all the teenage mums getting council flats, its brilliant.

Where's that happening then?

**Pedrostt500** · 16th February 2009, 19:51

The problem has never been with the Police or the laws they have to deal with, Drink Drivers, / Boy racers etc, The problem has been in the Justice System, there have been to many liberal lawers,/ judges, who hand down limp sentinces,
The Judicial system needs tougher guide lines, not just maximum sentences, But also minimum levels for sentences, and not allowing cop outs of trading off high fines for Community Service.
Being more ready to impose life time bans for driving, and owning motorvechicles, also Disqualifing Drivers for 12months and 1 day for their first Drink Driving Offence, would mean that person would require to resit their Drivers Licence.
Crushing Cars is an exstream meassure, and one that should be applied in exstream circumstances.
If I knew that the car I was driving was to be crushed because I was drink Driving or a Boy racer out for a Hoon, then I'd be driving un warrented Unregersterd UN Insured $500.00 peices of junk, Crush my car I go buy another old banger.

**Genestho** · 16th February 2009, 19:57

Originally Posted by Pedrostt500

The problem has never been with the Police or the laws they have to deal with, Drink Drivers, / Boy racers etc, The problem has been in the Justice System, there have been to many liberal lawers,/ judges, who hand down limp sentinces,
The Judicial system needs tougher guide lines, not just maximum sentences, But also minimum levels for sentences, and not allowing cop outs of trading off high fines for Community Service.
Being more ready to impose life time bans for driving, and owning motorvechicles, also Disqualifing Drivers for 12months and 1 day for their first Drink Driving Offence, would mean that person would require to resit their Drivers Licence.
Crushing Cars is an exstream meassure, and one that should be applied in exstream circumstances.
If I knew that the car I was driving was to be crushed because I was drink Driving or a Boy racer out for a Hoon, then I'd be driving un warrented Unregersterd UN Insured $500.00 peices of junk, Crush my car I go buy another old banger.

I ABSOLUTELY agree with the lack of backup with the Justice system, that limp ole thing is needing an overhaul, amazing how the stats on Home D have been handed out like lollies...yes, restrictions on purchasing new/second hand vehicles could assist in curbing that, mentioned in the Boy Racer thread...

**Dave Lobster** · 16th February 2009, 20:04

Originally Posted by EatOrBeEaten

Where's that happening then?

Heh heh.. have you seen the one about the 13 year old boy who's fathered a child in ingerlund?

It's hilarious..

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4849264a12.html

**EatOrBeEaten** · 16th February 2009, 20:06

Originally Posted by Dave Lobster

Heh heh.. have you seen the one about the 13 year old boy who's fathered a child in ingerlund?

It's hilarious..

I'd post a link. But my internet is with Telecom. And it's nothing like how they make it look in the TV. It's shit.

Horrendous, absolutely horrendous. Poor kid, she's like twice his size!

Still, the mum and sprog are sharing a 2-bed council flat with her dad and his numeous offspring.

Hardly the life of riley...

**Mikkel** · 16th February 2009, 20:14

Crushing cars will get us nowhere. It's ultimately wasteful - expropriate them, sell them and use them to provide better public transportation, transportation network and information campaigns.

Also, let's face it, there's not going to be that many victims just because someone has collected $20k of speeding tickets.

What I sincerely think could work - if you can not pay your fines you get to do community service, wearing a fluoro vest, and you can pay it off at $5 an hour. That and labour camps, I'm sure we could find something that the poor young kids of today could do.

And if we really want to attack the problem at it's root - forced sterilisation. Or at least child quotas.

Just in case you are wondering - I am not entirely serious, but it's not a complete pisstake either.

**Genestho** · 16th February 2009, 20:26

Originally Posted by Dave Lobster

Heh heh.. have you seen the one about the 13 year old boy who's fathered a child in ingerlund?

It's hilarious..

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4849264a12.html

Dude! I saw that!!!! Looking down the track, its a crazy world!!!

**carver** · 16th February 2009, 20:27

Originally Posted by EatOrBeEaten

Where's that happening then?

the country you named

**EatOrBeEaten** · 16th February 2009, 20:31

Originally Posted by carver

the country you named

The UK? Only if you read the Daily Mail. I know a fair few people out there work for borough councils in the social housing departments, and I can say with some level of half-assed authority that it doesn't happen like that unless said knocked-up mum gets VERY lucky...

**carver** · 16th February 2009, 20:33

Originally Posted by EatOrBeEaten

The UK? Only if you read the Daily Mail. I know a fair few people out there work for borough councils in the social housing departments, and I can say with some level of half-assed authority that it doesn't happen like that unless said knocked-up mum gets VERY lucky...

well, were in similar situations, im hearing it from ex pats