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[FJRider]

No way in hell you'll ever be hurt in full gear.. I call 'shopped..

and bullet proof vests make you bullet proof... ???

The more safety gear you wear, the more invinceable you feel...

[SARGE]

and bullet proof vests make you bullet proof... ???

The more safety gear you wear, the more invinceable you feel...

yea... But the irony....

[enigma51]

Its the riders choice to wear what ever he wants to, sure by all means tell him that you think he needs to be wrapped up in cotton wool, but at the end of the day its his choice. Deal with it.

Its not my choice to pay acc but its my choice to tell the dickhead he's a dickhead

[toycollector10]

Before compulsory helmet laws in some states in the USA the death rate amongst riders in the 1970's was, get this, five an hour.

Unbelievable but true. Reference: The Hurt report. The Status Report of Accident Investigation Data "Factors and Identification of Countermeasures" by the University of Southern California for the Traffic Safety Centre for the University of Blah blah blah..August 1979.

Forty years ago when I was 15 years old I rode without a helmet, gloves, or any gear at all.

Until one of the guys in the 5th form (I was a 3rd former) fronted me and changed my ways forever.

So I was just a stupid, invincibile, unthinking little twat. Some say I still am, but at least someone put their hand up on my behalf and I appreciated the lesson!

This debate about riding gear isn't even 20 or 40 years old, it's about 60 years old, and some people still want to quack on about their rights and etc.

I tell yer's, some people just won't learn because they know more than everyone else this decade, but not just in this decade, but the previous collective experience and sad outcomes of the last 5 or 6, like I just said!!

[The Pastor]

Remember, it's not ATGATT if it's not fluoro.

Compulsory hi-vis for everyone .

After all , why should my ACC premiums go up because other people are too stupid to make themselves visible ?

What? You don't agree? But I thought you approved of telling other people what to do, in the interests of safety?

EDIT: Not you as in you, you as in the other you

My view on high vis jackets. They work if your the type of rider who rides sedately and stays in one position on the road and dont ride pre emptivly (not sure if thats the right word but you know ride as if every car is going to run you over)

but if you're (like me) the type of rider who lane splits and is 100% alert every time your on the bike thinking constantly along the lines of "theres a gap that car can get into, therefore it will without indicating and checking mirrors" while lane splitting at a relatively fast speed - never staying in one spot for the longest time etc then high vis are going to do jack shit. simply because car drivers look forwards and forwards only.

is the 2nd way of riding less safe than the first? Not sure, i have only ever had 1 close call and that was yesterday. never had cars pull out in front of me or do a u turn / maneuver that i wasn't already expecting.

And i commute 50km each day down the motorway.

Ah. I see. So safety apparel should only be worn (or only be compulsory?) if it doesn't make you feel like a dick.

Now, I remember when I was young, to shut my mother up sometimes I had to wear a crash helmet. And everyone said that I looked like a dick for wearing it. Cos helmets do make you look like a dick. And no-one wore them, cos they didn't want to look like dicks. So, following your precept, I can be excused not wearing a helmet?

yes you can, i'm sure you remember the days before helmets. has the helmet law reduced the number of deaths on the road? you'll find people are a lot more careful when they are riding without a helmet. I read on the internet (so it MUST be true....) that car drivers notice riders without helmets a lot more than those with lids on, something to do with realizing its a human on that bike

Wrong. It does. Why should I have to pick up pieces of brain from the road surface, because one chooses not to wear a helmet? Why should I have to tell the parents their kid aint coming home, ever, because they didn't wear a seatbelt? Why should the fireys and ambos deal with easily avoided shit like that...? It does affect others.....

wrong its your fucking job, suck it in and deal with it, if you cant deal with it, and do all of nz a favor and quit.

[toycollector10]

Hey renegade master, what do you do for a job?

Would you like to pick up brains, hair, teeth and eyeballs off the stone-chip seal or do you leave that up to people who have the balls to do it?

And would you do it? I don't think so.

[The Pastor]

Hey renegade master, what do you do for a job?

Would you like to pick up brains, hair, teeth and eyeballs off the stone-chip seal or do you leave that up to people who have the balls to do it?

And would you do it? I don't think so.

if i wanted to be cop or an ambo or fireman i would.

but i dont.

[toycollector10]

I've got a big ups to all the ambo staff, and like I have said, the guy or girl with the spinning blades that shaves the skin off the cadavers (dead people).
The skin then goes to the graft people who spend hours and hours attending to complete dickheads who ride around in jandals and shorts. Like I said, this debate is over 60 years old but people like renegade master know more than everyone else. Good luck mate, you'll need it. By the way, what do you do for a living? I'm sure it doesn't involve easily avoidable blood, guts and pain.

[Ixion]

Wrong. It does. Why should I have to pick up pieces of brain from the road surface, because one chooses not to wear a helmet? Why should I have to tell the parents their kid aint coming home, ever, because they didn't wear a seatbelt? Why should the fireys and ambos deal with easily avoided shit like that...? It does affect others.....

An unpleasant duty most certainly. But have you never had to perform a similar unwelcome office for car drivers? I have seen car drivers brain matter smeared over roadways, too. Head injury is one of the most common causes of death or serious injury in car crashes. Which arguably could be much reduced by car drivers wearing crash helmets (after all, racing drivers wear them). So do you berate the car drivers you see for not wearing a crash helmet? Do you wear one yourself when on duty? If not, do you not think that rather hypocritical?

As to "easily avoided shit": I am amazed at the folk who belabour this argument and do not accept its logical extension - the most effective way to avoid all such shit is to ban motorcycles. Sorted. Why should people be allowed to ride such patently unsafe devices , for which there is no practical need, and cost the taxpayer money for their hospital treatment.

You cannot take the "anyone who does not ATGATT is evil and a parasite" without accepting "anyone who rides a motorcycle is evil and a parasite'

Motorcycling IS dangerous. No amount of magic gear will EVER make it safe . If you cannot accept that , then sell the bike.

Everytime you ride out the driveway, Death hops on the pillion seat.

No one (including Mr RM , who does wear protectvie gear) is saying NOT to wear it. Merely that the hysterical screeching of the ATGATT mob is self defeating and illusionist. A denial of reality.

[samgab]

I've got a big ups to all the ambo staff, and like I have said, the guy or girl with the spinning blades that shaves the skin off the cadavers (dead people).
The skin then goes to the graft people who spend hours and hours attending to complete dickheads who ride around in jandals and shorts. Like I said, this debate is over 60 years old but people like renegade master know more than everyone else. Good luck mate, you'll need it. By the way, what do you do for a living? I'm sure it doesn't involve easily avoidable blood, guts and pain.

I appreciate your comments here, some good common sense.
But I had to donate my own live skin towards my skin grafts.
When I was 15 and even more stupid than I am now.
They got what looked like a glorified stainless steel potatoe peeler, and bit by bit scraped off about a square foot of skin from the back of my thigh. And not just the surface, they go REALLY DEEP, to the meat underneath.
The wound from that was almost as bad as the injuries they were patching up! Well, not really, but it sure bled a heck of a lot and for a few weeks.
Still have the scars from it now, 16 years down the track.

[Patrick]

wrong its your fucking job, suck it in and deal with it, if you cant deal with it, and do all of nz a favor and quit.

Meh... I can delegate.

All of NZ a favour and quit?

You're Finns dog, aincha?

[cs363]

Before compulsory helmet laws in some states in the USA the death rate amongst riders in the 1970's was, get this, five an hour.

Unbelievable but true. Reference: The Hurt report. The Status Report of Accident Investigation Data "Factors and Identification of Countermeasures" by the University of Southern California for the Traffic Safety Centre for the University of Blah blah blah..August 1979.

If the above is true it makes the increase quoted here VERY scary!

http://www.abateonline.org/ABATE.aspx?PID=125

[The Pastor]

5 deaths an hour are you taking the piss?

5 deaths an hour = 43680 deaths a year. which would be a large % of the total bikers in the usa.

[Bass]

5 deaths an hour are you taking the piss?

5 deaths an hour = 43680 deaths a year. which would be a large % of the total bikers in the usa.

I make it 43,800.
Where did you hide the other 120?
You've been reading too much Terry Pratchett and gave Death a day off, didn't you?

[The Pastor]

I make it 43,800.
Where did you hide the other 120?
You've been reading too much Terry Pratchett and gave Death a day off, didn't you?

5 x 24 x 7 x 52 = 43680?