Round 5 of NZ Superbikes may be canned?

**Wingnut** · 25th February 2009, 18:58

Originally Posted by FROSTY

The thing is you get bigger attendance at the beginning of the season than at the end.

Whats the reason/theory there? Why is there such a significant difference?

**Billy** · 25th February 2009, 18:58

Originally Posted by DEATH_INC.

Lots if you already have one....

So if youve got 1 why arent you racing it??? Dave Manuell has been doing the National rounds on a K2 GSXR and having a ball,But of course its still gonna cost the same too enter as a new 1 and its still gonna use tyres and fuel and all the other consumables a new is 1 so hows that gonna be cheaper.WAKE UP and smell the coffee buying the bike is the cheap bit

**prettybillie** · 25th February 2009, 19:00

Originally Posted by svs

Go for it - it's only money

Bike racing is still a cheap form of motorsport and NZ is still cheaper than the rest of the civilised world. (last i looked it was about NZ$350 to enter a club round (2 8 lap races) in the UK)

Biggles - sounds like SVS wants to anti up to cover the cost of the weekend for you

**DEATH_INC.** · 25th February 2009, 19:02

Originally Posted by Billy

So if youve got 1 why arent you racing it??? Dave Manuell has been doing the National rounds on a K2 GSXR and having a ball,But of course its still gonna cost the same too enter as a new 1 and its still gonna use tyres and fuel and all the other consumables a new is 1 so hows that gonna be cheaper.WAKE UP and smell the coffee buying the bike is the cheap bit

No it's not. You can scratch together 5-600 bux to do a club race if you need to, but finding 10g ain't so easy....

**DEATH_INC.** · 25th February 2009, 19:04

Oh yeh, and mine's an older 120hp 750....prolly not the safest thing to run at puke with the 200hp thous

**Kickaha** · 25th February 2009, 19:22

Originally Posted by FROSTY

The thing is you get bigger attendance at the beginning of the season than at the end.

I would think that may be right if you're talking a 4-5 round series run at one track, but 5 rounds spread over the whole of the country I really doubt it

Auckland should have the good figures no matter what time it is run at simply because of population base

**DEATH_INC.** · 25th February 2009, 19:23

Originally Posted by Billy

So if youve got 1 why arent you racing it??? Dave Manuell has been doing the National rounds on a K2 GSXR and having a ball,But of course its still gonna cost the same too enter as a new 1 and its still gonna use tyres and fuel and all the other consumables a new is 1 so hows that gonna be cheaper.WAKE UP and smell the coffee buying the bike is the cheap bit

Why do you not hear what I'm saying. I'm a rider and I'm saying I cannot afford a new (read half competitive) bike. You're not hearing me. Listen to the riders.
I know you cannot help this, but it IS a good example of the lack of listening going on.
Plenty are saying they can't afford to run. Listen. Telling them they are wrong really doesn't fix it.
(Oh, and I do get some of it is not anything that can be helped by the organising club/mnz)

**DEATH_INC.** · 25th February 2009, 19:24

Originally Posted by Kickaha

I would think that may be right if you're talking a 4-5 round series run at one track, but 5 rounds spread over the whole of the country I really doubt it

Auckland should have the good figures no matter what time it is run at simply because of population base

You'd think so, but a shit track and facilities takes care of that...

**Clivoris** · 25th February 2009, 19:37

Track hire for a nationals round is CONSIDERABLY more at Manfield. Not sure exactly why but think it has something to do with charging a fee at the gate. The fact that we have a gate also involves extra volunteer and other costs. The promotion that is done (whether you think it is adequate or not) costs. More promotion would cost more.
I certainly can't afford to race all the rounds of the Nationals. I chose not to race the Manfield round simply because it was too expensive. I choose to spend my racing budget in more affordable places. I'm not afraid of getting my arse kicked and handed to me on a platter. I consider it to be the first law of apprenticeship. I'm just not going to pay $100 more than elsewhere, to get it done.
I also think that comparing street races with the Nationals rounds is unfair. They are very different products.
I wonder what would happen if we ran a Nationals round in the same style as an Actrix Winter Series round? No gate = cheaper entries? Forget about the promotion because it's about giving racers an opportunity to race. As long as we are paying the bills, who cares who comes to watch? The racing at Manfield was truly exciting at the front of the fields, but would have been even better if we had full grids as well.
BTW. Like other attractive motorcyclists of taste, I use Actrix as my interweb provider.

**Skunk** · 25th February 2009, 20:26

Originally Posted by DEATH_INC.

No it's not. You can scratch together 5-600 bux to do a club race if you need to, but finding 10g ain't so easy....

Can you clarify the 10g please? What are you including over a and above a club race? Apart from the extra on the entry fee the costs should be the same. In this case $1100-1300 dollars... ($5-600+100 extra entry costs times 2 days). What am I missing?

Originally Posted by DEATH_INC.

Why do you not hear what I'm saying. I'm a rider and I'm saying I cannot afford a new (read half competitive) bike. You're not hearing me. Listen to the riders.
I know you cannot help this, but it IS a good example of the lack of listening going on.
Plenty are saying they can't afford to run. Listen. Telling them they are wrong really doesn't fix it.
(Oh, and I do get some of it is not anything that can be helped by the organising club/mnz)

So if it's Nationals you will only enter if you have a competitive bike. Otherwise whatever you have will do for Club level? Don't get me wrong - I'm not having a go at you - I'm trying to get my head around your thinking.

**White trash** · 25th February 2009, 20:35

Originally Posted by Skunk

Can you clarify the 10g please? What are you including over a and above a club race? Apart from the extra on the entry fee the costs should be the same. In this case $1100-1300 dollars... ($5-600+100 extra entry costs times 2 days). What am I missing?

So if it's Nationals you will only enter if you have a competitive bike. Otherwise whatever you have will do for Club level? Don't get me wrong - I'm not having a go at you - I'm trying to get my head around your thinking.

Firstly, I burned 4K last year at Puke in one meeting and that was only using three rear tyres and two fronts. Had I used the six of each I really would have liked to have used, that would easily chew ten grand.

In regards to Deaths other comments, I think he's more getting at the fact that his ten year old bike, is not elligible in the National Production Superbike rules.

**cowpoos** · 25th February 2009, 20:54

Originally Posted by DEATH_INC.

Oh yeh, and mine's an older 120hp 750....prolly not the safest thing to run at puke with the 200hp thous

She'll be post classic soon!! don't sell her yet mate!!

**DEATH_INC.** · 25th February 2009, 21:04

Originally Posted by Skunk

Can you clarify the 10g please?

Sorry, I'm talking about the cost for a replacement bike (billy stated it was the cheap part), and a few seasons old one at that. Something competitive would be around 40g I would think?
But even with that, I don't have a spare $1300 lying around either...

**DEATH_INC.** · 25th February 2009, 21:08

Originally Posted by White trash

In regards to Deaths other comments, I think he's more getting at the fact that his ten year old bike, is not elligible in the National Production Superbike rules.

Exactly. Plus what I said about it being a bit dangerous at Puke.