Would you ride with coppers?

**Katman** · 27th February 2009, 11:50

Originally Posted by The Stranger

No.
I was referring to personal standards.

We are all guilty of hypocrisy in some manner from time to time in our lives.

If you are alluding to the message I have repeatedly stated on here, I have only ever said "Don't ride like an arse" (or words to that effect). Personally, I make sure I don't ride like an arse.

**peasea** · 27th February 2009, 14:04

No offence (pun intended) but let's face it; coppers are never really off-duty are they?

I was offered the chance to go on a run a through the 'Naki a while back and there was a copper going along who was touted as being a "good bloke". That's great, I'm sure everyone had a good time, I wouldn't know, I declined the invitation. I've had more than one bad run-in with coppers and it's turned me sour. (I'm not just referring to ticket-writers either.)

However, I deal with coppers on occasion through my work and to date they have been polite and professional so I treat them likewise, but riding is something I hold dear and there's no way I'd knowingly share the experience with a copper. If I discovered one on a ride I'd most likely bid everyone a polite farewell and go home but that simply means I'm the one with the problem, nobody else; I don't mind admitting it either.

I simply don't trust them and I couldn't really relax when there's one within spitting distance of me. My missus feels the same.

There are undoubtedly some good people in the force, level-headed, brave, fair players etc and good on them for taking up a job I'd never qualify for or be interested in, but just as it is with my drinking etc, I'm a bit fussy about who I ride with.

It's my choice to not ride with them, just as it is the choice of others who decide to ride WITH them. Mind you, I doubt I'd have too much to do with people who rode with coppers either but generally speaking my mates wouldn't do it anyway.

**madbikeboy** · 27th February 2009, 14:08

Originally Posted by MsKABC

Yeah, well it wasn't one of the smartest things I've ever done.... Bloody good record though

I've got to spread it around before it'll let me bling you again.

Faster = more betterer.

**peasea** · 27th February 2009, 14:11

Originally Posted by The Stranger

Ditto.
The one that really pissed me off was a ticket for 93kph when I was towing a trailer on the open road. Everything else was legit, tow wagon up to the task etc. No lip or nothing and an honest mistake on my part.
Still, I did enjoy the rest of the trip below the speed limit, though I am not so sure the following cars did on a busy holiday weekend.

Same thing happened to a buddy of mine towing a race car. Tough-as, well equipped American pickup, fully-braked trailer, everything in fine mechanical order etc. He was in a line of traffic cruising along about the 100kph mark near Taupo in perfect but busy driving conditions during a holiday period. Cop plucks him out of the line of traffic and tickets him, causing much disruption on a busy main highway.

The cop was/is nothing but a tosser.

**MSTRS:Me** · 27th February 2009, 14:26

Originally Posted by peasea

The cop was/is nothing but a tosser.

There's a few stationed in every area. Part of the quota system, I believe

**mister.koz** · 27th February 2009, 14:31

Originally Posted by Katman

We are all guilty of hypocrisy in some manner from time to time in our lives.

If you are alluding to the message I have repeatedly stated on here, I have only ever said "Don't ride like an arse" (or words to that effect). Personally, I make sure I don't ride like an arse.

There's a distinction between what you have to do at work and what you think is alright to do in your own time.

For instance, your perception of riding like an arse is probably quite different to the next guy's and different still from what the law defines as within the limits.

If your job was to uphold a set of rules (believe in them or not) to the line then that is what you would do. It doesn't mean that you are being hypocritical if you don't follow them outside of your normal working hours, it just means that you acknowledge the risks and make a decision for yourself.

I wonder how many nurses & doctors smoke cigarettes and drink too much?

**skidMark** · 27th February 2009, 14:33

Originally Posted by SixPackBack

Think about the answer.

Riding with off duty copper-a good bugger and genuine motorcyclist enthusiast, the kind of person you would be happy to drink with and talk shit. Not likely to say anything unless you make a real coont outa yourself.
Here's the rub.
Now while said copper is not going to report back to base after a spirited sports ride, he will have witnessed excessive speeding, the same type of behaviour that in a day or week he will be ticketing some other hapless soul for........
Tempted, but can't get my head around the hypocrisy.

Work is work... it's his career...

His job ends at the end of his shift.

He is on his own time when he is out riding...

Just treat him like any other as a friend, not just because he is a cop.

**pritch** · 27th February 2009, 14:42

Originally Posted by skidMark

Work is work... it's his career...

His job ends at the end of his shift.

He is on his own time when he is out riding...

Just treat him like any other as a friend, not just because he is a cop.

Mature comments Mark. I'll second that.

They can come in handy too. Some years ago a group of BMWOR riders were enjoying an out of town jaunt when the local constabulary became rather too interested in their doings. The off-duty cop with the BMW group waved down the patrol car, introduced himself, and the law immediately lost interest.

**Katman** · 27th February 2009, 14:52

Originally Posted by mister.koz

I wonder how many nurses & doctors smoke cigarettes and drink too much?

If they do, and yet tell you that you must give up smoking and drinking because it will kill you, then that is hypocrisy.

If a police officer, who habitually travels in excess of the speed limit, hands you a ticket and tells you that you must keep within the speed limit because speed kills, then that is hypocrisy.

**Tank** · 27th February 2009, 15:01

Originally Posted by mister.koz

I wonder how many nurses & doctors smoke cigarettes and drink too much?

Originally Posted by Katman

If they do, and yet tell you that you must give up smoking and drinking because it will kill you, then that is hypocrisy.

If a police officer, who habitually travels in excess of the speed limit, hands you a ticket and tells you that you must keep within the speed limit because speed kills, then that hypocrisy.

But would you still ride a Nurse who smoked?

This whole thread is bullshit - really.

If someone is so far up their own ass to look down their nose and not want to ride with anyone just because of something small like this - then they must be so fucken lillywhite pure that they would be the most boring fuckers out there and I wouldn't want to ride with them.

**Katman** · 27th February 2009, 15:05

Originally Posted by Tank

This whole thread is bullshit - really.

Agreed.

I'm merely pointing out the meaning of the word hypocrisy though.

(Not that hypocrisy has ever been readily recognised on KB - judging by many of the posts on here).

**3umph** · 27th February 2009, 15:05

Originally Posted by peasea

Same thing happened to a buddy of mine towing a race car. Tough-as, well equipped American pickup, fully-braked trailer, everything in fine mechanical order etc. He was in a line of traffic cruising along about the 100kph mark near Taupo in perfect but busy driving conditions during a holiday period. Cop plucks him out of the line of traffic and tickets him, causing much disruption on a busy main highway.

The cop was/is nothing but a tosser.

Yip that happened to a mate of mine towing a jetboat at 100kph with the flow of traffic on a busy highway.

There are some that just ticket for everything but overall most are pretty sensible...

**Tank** · 27th February 2009, 15:07

The bigger hypocrites are all the cop bashers on here that call them pigs, useless revenue generating pricks, useless cunts, and a whole host of other abuse. **

Then as soon as they have problems call the police and are all "yes sir, no sir - please help me sir"

Actually - worse than being hypocrites they are cowards as well because they dont have the balls to say it to their face.

(** note used as examples and are not my views)

**skidMark** · 27th February 2009, 15:08

Originally Posted by Katman

Agreed.

I'm merely pointing out the meaning of the word hypocrisy though.

(Not that hypocrisy has ever been readily recognised on KB - judging by many of the posts on here).

So you have nothing to contribute to the actual thread, just going LOOK AT ME!!!

Correct?