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    dont sell him the bike because shure as eggs his old man will be down on you like a ton of bricks when he kills himself on it

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManDownUnder View Post
    Tough one but ultimately is the customer's choice. I'd personally tell him what you think his chances of survival are, why you're concerned but if he's adamant on taking the bigger bike he's going to do it - either from you or someone else.
    No sorry mate I will NOT sell him the bike.
    If he goes somewhere else I can't stop him but Im not selling him a big bike.
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    Explain that he is not lawfully alowed to ride the bigger bike and then take his cash when he persists and wont listen to you. When he suits up to ride it away call the fuzz to ticket him. haha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MsKABC View Post
    See now I would take the opposite view of: Let him go somewhere else! At least then it's not my problem and it's not on my conscience.

    God I hate it when women are right, now that a rational, logic thought process. arrrrrrrrrr


    Quote Originally Posted by Hoon View Post
    That's the understanding anyway... the old "I'm just gonna push it home officer!" routine.


    Frosty I guess in the end, your the one facing the customer and only you would be able to make a call on him and the purchase.
    Respect if ya don't sell it to him though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MsKABC View Post
    Yeah, but does HE know that?
    Hardly the best approach to intentionally mislead people in order to keep them safe...

    Quote Originally Posted by MSTRS View Post
    Moral dilemma, for sure. Nothing illegal there, tho.
    Tell him straight up what the risks and costs are, and if he's still adamant...either sell him the bike, or refuse to.
    Direct him to these hallowed halls and we'll tell him not to be a cock...
    Sux to be you in this sort of situation
    +1

    It's his life, just make sure he's making a (semi-)informed decision before he puts his life and mobility on the line.
    It is preferential to refrain from the utilisation of grandiose verbiage in the circumstance that your intellectualisation can be expressed using comparatively simplistic lexicological entities. (...such as the word fuck.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeey01 View Post
    God I hate it when women are right, now that a rational, logic thought process. arrrrrrrrrr

    Thanks, I guess my work here is done *tips hat and swaggers away*
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikkel View Post
    Hardly the best approach to intentionally mislead people in order to keep them safe...
    Maybe so, but it allows Frosty to save face without looking like the bad guy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FROSTY View Post
    A youngish chap wanders into the shop looking at bikes. We have a bit of a yarn and he's got a learners licence. Ok conversation carrys on and I show him a couple of 250's . Things progress in a promising manner so away we go on a test ride. Clearly this chap is on a licence to learn. His ride skills are basicly non existent.
    Back to the shop and we yarn some more and the young chap hauls a wad of cash out of pocket. "Yep I want that one" pointing to a much bigger more powerfull bike.

    Heres the dillema.
    How do I tell him he can't have the bike in a way thats gonna keep him happy? Or at least not pissed off with us?
    Him buying that bike off me is not an option but I just can't figure out how to sugar the pill. Ive already told him about licence requirements etc.

    What I really wanna say is "Go away, learn to ride propperly then come back for a grunty bike if you are still keen"
    Legally you can sell him anything he wants. It is really not your role to do anything else - that is up to the police. You seem to have informed him and that is where your role stops.

    Are you asking for advice to sell it and therefore you can justify by saying but they said thats ok ... or for others to say not sell it and then you can say .. I didn't make the sale on advice of others.

    Its called using your own balls and business sense - not getting others to justify your own decisions - as that is a short way to run a business into the ground - and yes I know its been a year but most small businesses live to a total of two - five.
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    Explain that you can't do it according to your concience and experience. Tell him what happens to those who fool with more horses than they're able (YouTube will be helpful) and that you'd love to sell him the bike in 6 months when he can prove he's up to it.

    Tell him where to get the right gear so that he can get it now, not need more kit when he gets the next bike, and tell him to get some training.

    Or take off a plug lead or 2...
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    Quote Originally Posted by FROSTY View Post
    No sorry mate I will NOT sell him the bike.
    If he goes somewhere else I can't stop him but Im not selling him a big bike.
    Respect!
    I have spoken with a car dealer who says that ALL dealers have to stand firm on decisions like this.
    Plenty of Chinese kids arrive with boxes of cash and no licence. The dealer will not sell but knows that the kid will just go down the road until he finds someone who will sell to him.
    This puts even more danger on the roads, for the purchaser and also for the rest of the population.
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    Sell him the bike, his problem.
    But only after strongly advising him of the risk and highly recommending a 250 to learn on.

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    Tough situation, but heres the reality, as a shop owner, thats lost income. So why dont you have the best of all worlds. Tell him youll ONLY sell it to him if he brings you a receipt for a riding course, that way youll know he has a willingness to learn and be safe. You are screwed if you do and screwed if you dont. You would feel guilty if he gets messed up on a bike you sell him, sure, but wont you feel just as guilty if you find out he messed himself up on a bike that someone who didnt care sold him a powerful bike? Im just saying youre in a position to positively influence him

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    Quote Originally Posted by MsKABC View Post
    Maybe so, but it allows Frosty to save face without looking like the bad guy.
    So you suggest that not looking like the bad guy is actually better than being the bad guy (i.e. not upfront and honest)?

    Clearly stating that he won't sell the bike to a learner due to his conscience is taking a stand and being honest about it. Fabricating some semi-plausible - but factually incorrect - excuse is a piss-weak way to go (and stupid too, since a 2 minute phonecall would be enough to uncover the truth - so much for returning customer and reputation).
    It is preferential to refrain from the utilisation of grandiose verbiage in the circumstance that your intellectualisation can be expressed using comparatively simplistic lexicological entities. (...such as the word fuck.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swoop View Post
    Plenty of Chinese kids arrive with boxes of cash and no licence. The dealer will not sell but knows that the kid will just go down the road until he finds someone who will sell to him.
    This puts even more danger on the roads, for the purchaser and also for the rest of the population.
    That is exactly what was going through my mind when I read the first post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikkel View Post
    So you suggest that not looking like the bad guy is actually better than being the bad guy (i.e. not upfront and honest)?

    Clearly stating that he won't sell the bike to a learner due to his conscience is taking a stand and being honest about it. Fabricating some semi-plausible - but factually incorrect - excuse is a piss-weak way to go (and stupid too, since a 2 minute phonecall would be enough to uncover the truth - so much for returning customer and reputation).
    Well don't hold back, tell us what you really think!
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