Indicators continuously lit?

[Ixion]

Problem is that indicators make good DRLs but they don't have the 'E' numbers on the lenses which mean they don't comply with the design rules. So technically they are not legal (unless, as noted, they came that way form the manufacturer - and who's going to argue?)

[MsKABC]

Good luck and enjoy the Bros, They are good fun to ride.

Cheers, it arrived tonight in the pouring rain and is now tucked up safe in the garage. I'm very pleased with it so far

[The Stranger:Me]

I'm not so sure it's stupid. It seems to me that using the indicator light for any purpose other than

Hmm, how about making it possible for another driver/rider to distinguish a single headlight vehicle in a line of vehicles at night.

[Shadows]

Noddy Lights. Farking things.

Had two bikes with them, one was a Honda and the other started with H too.

Whoever it was that said they are illegal doesn't know what he's talking about - they are perfectly legal - but that doesn't mean you should keep them. They're Noddy Lights! Just nip the wire that runs them (without cutting the indicator one as well :P)

[Shadows]

See section 4-4 of the WOF regs for motorcycle lighting,
WOF rules for Motorcycle lighting

They are legal, but para 10 says that they must not operate when the headlight is on. (I don't think too many WOF shops know or care about it)
The Get Out is Note 2, which says that if the manufacturer made them like that, they can stay.


There used to a plugin blackbox that made your indicators do this. They were called "daylights" or something like that. (I know Motomail sold them in the old days)


There have been loads of studies and arguments about DRL's. One of the bigger points against compulsory DRL's on cars was that motorcycle's with headlights one would be less conspicuous against all the car lights.

Good luck and enjoy the Bros, They are good fun to ride.

Problem is that indicators make good DRLs but they don't have the 'E' numbers on the lenses which mean they don't comply with the design rules. So technically they are not legal (unless, as noted, they came that way form the manufacturer - and who's going to argue?)

They are correctly referred to as forward facing position lamps. Not daytime running lights.

Perfectly legal and no bullshit about them having to turn off when the headlight goes on.

[Mom]

It is a safety feature, they are considered running lights. Unfortunately, they are illegal under NZ law (which is stupid). The most common arrangement is simply that the indicator has a twin filament bulb instead of the usual single filament. To disable the running light, just cut the wire!

I am intrigued Ixion. My Radian has its front indicators on all the time, if it is illegal how come I can still get a warrant? Is it exempt because the manufacturer made it that way to fit the North American market they were targetted to?

[scumdog]

Noddy Lights. Farking things.

Had two bikes with them, one was a Honda and the other started with H too.

Whoever it was that said they are illegal doesn't know what he's talking about - they are perfectly legal - but that doesn't mean you should keep them. They're Noddy Lights! Just nip the wire that runs them (without cutting the indicator one as well :P)

A lot of Nightsters (and others) I have seen have this set-up but with red 'halos' in each indicator light.

I thought it a good idea - main tail-light blows? - ya still have two others. (albeit a tad smaller)

And how often to people check to see if their tail-light is still working? - if the indicator/tail-lights save you once from being rear-ended they've paid off.

[WarrenW]

Back in about 1990 or there abouts, a copany I worked for designed and released such a beast onto the market and it was called "Visi - Bike" and sold as a safety feature via a number of well known distributors.

It was an aftermarket fitoff, interupting the indicator wiring and installing the box usually in the headlight shell. Typically was a black box with a red sticker on it. Box was about 50mm x 30mm x 25mm from memory.

[davereid]

Back in about 1990 or there abouts, a copany I worked for designed and released such a beast onto the market and it was called "Visi - Bike" and sold as a safety feature via a number of well known distributors.

It was an aftermarket fitoff, interupting the indicator wiring and installing the box usually in the headlight shell. Typically was a black box with a red sticker on it. Box was about 50mm x 30mm x 25mm from memory.

I modify classic cars wiring in a similar way.

Lots of classic car owners don't want to punch extra holes in the body for indicators, but they want indicators.

So we modify the wiring turning the brake lights and front park lights into indicators.

They still work as intended, but flash as well if the indicator is on.

Its quite a popular modification, and we have never had any issues with WOFs.

[HungusMaximist]

Not actually sure but I've seen quite a few bikes lately with these safety indicators lit constantly. One bike actually had four, like two from the sides and two from the top, couldn't make out the bike but had a suspicious feeling it was a large Honda or something, or could be something else.

Great idea, it's actually really noticeable. I am not entirely sure if the bikes I've encountered had them as indicators or extra safety auxiliary lights, but whatever it was, I will say it again, fucken great!

[vagrant]

Back in about 1990 or there abouts, a copany I worked for designed and released such a beast onto the market and it was called "Visi - Bike" and sold as a safety feature via a number of well known distributors.

It was an aftermarket fitoff, interupting the indicator wiring and installing the box usually in the headlight shell. Typically was a black box with a red sticker on it. Box was about 50mm x 30mm x 25mm from memory.

Thats the thing I was mis remembering!

[keithbuckby]

my indicators as running light as well, is it as simple as using the relay off a bike that has them? or is a different system altogether

[35tickets]

I fitted the "Visi-bike" system (from Cycletreads, about $50) about a year ago. Indicators run when the headlight is on low-beam, but go off when the headlight flicks to high beam. Thought they would make a good safety feature, and they are good at night as I do a lot of night riding. Its just a box thats wired into the wiring loom. I've mounted it up next to the headlight.

I know some of the BMW used to have them both front and back indicators were glowing on one model I looked at years ago. Only the front ones glow on the ZZR.

Was interested to see they have been quoted as being illegal here. In saying that, I've had no trouble in getting a WOF, and funny enough car drivers have actually noticed me more at Round-abouts. Will follow up, cheers

Im happy enough with them

[Shadows]

Was interested to see they have been quoted as being illegal here. In saying that, I've had no trouble in getting a WOF

That's because forward facing position lamps are not illegal. Call them running lights and they are if they work with the headlamp on. See my post above.

[pete376403]

Have a 1982 Suzuki GS1100GK, has this feature - been around for ages and never been refused a WOF. Actually works quite well in that cagers see the bike coming up behind and pull over real quick like they think it's a cop bike