Pakeha world views?

[98tls]

This thread annoys me and I can't quite decide why?

1) there have been too many students asking for help on their assignments here lately?

2) the term Pakeha has no meaning and yet is so offensive?

3) social workers and their training is so PC; but then again, who would want to deal with the folks they see every day?

I don't know... it just bugs me and here I am at a stupid time of night posting about it!!!!

Or possibly the fact that your from North Otago means your just stupid.J/K.

[Usarka]

I haven't read the thread so I have no idea how relevant this anecdote is, and it doesn't really have a point......

Was in hospital and was told I could eat solids. Yay, so I joked about getting KFC. "Yes you can do that" I was told.

WTF I was just kidding. Nope, it's allowed for, get this, cultural reasons.

[Okey Dokey]

Or possibly the fact that your from North Otago means your just stupid.

THAT must be it! Thanks now I can go to sleep...

[98tls]

THAT must be it! Thanks now I can go to sleep...

On ya,have a good un.

[Whynot]

I haven't read the thread so I have no idea how relevant this anecdote is, and it doesn't really have a point......

Was in hospital and was told I could eat solids. Yay, so I joked about getting KFC. "Yes you can do that" I was told.

WTF I was just kidding. Nope, it's allowed for, get this, cultural reasons.

I was in hospital a while ago and the Samoan guy across from me got his family to smuggle KFC in even when he wasn't meant to be eating ....

[98tls]

I was in hospital a while ago and the Samoan guy across from me got his family to smuggle KFC in even when he wasn't meant to be eating ....

Why not its not like they have to pay for it.

[trump-lady]

so should I pics of brown people eating KFC and playing pokies?

This isnt a race debate. Worldviews arent just neg.... Theres gotta be pos veiws. I dont want my part to be all about bad symbolic race issues. What bout agriculture, science, law, politics, womens rights to vote, medicine, democracy...Thats what I was thinking before this thread. My worldview was that "pakeha" have some great WV. Im afraid I havent seen many here. It would be very easy to do this in a racial way, but thats boring and expected.

As a part "pakeha" person I am disapointed. I def think if this is all we can come up to represent that half of me then Ill do 5 mins of black screen with pakeha have no world view scrolling.

Ill prob get hung for that but im tired and out of all this got only about four pics and useful input.

[fire eyes]

There is an entire World outside your borders - I met a large number of New Zealanders in London. Most of them just wanted to get pissed and party and almost none of them had much Maori blood in them. Why do the Maori not do their OE like the white ones? Maori could benefit by seeing how poor and alcoholic and drug dependant white people can be in their native land. I'd love to take someone from Otara or Mangere and show them Easterhouse or South Nitshill or Wester Hailes just to see the look of shock on their faces.

Awesome point. Going overseas to explore the big wide world was never something that was encouraged in my family or my extended familes. Working & surviving was. Education was encouraged but 'keeping the homefires burning' was predominantly endorsed. Alot of disadvantages in that I totally agree but that's how it was ...

[smoky]

Colonialist world view;
Nothing happens until you put some structure in place and form some rules around it. the empire was the greatest thing that happened to less developed cultures, we have bought medicine, education, technology, civilisation to Maori
while there may be some disadvantages the advantages by far out-weigh them. I treat everyone the same regardless of what culture or race they are.

Maori World view;
Nothing happens in the physical unless it happens in the spiritual first, we don't own the land, we belong to it, strength, ability is mana, the respect for tapu, whakawhanongatanga, manikitanga, ariki and whakapapa. There things that need to be done to bring about a restoration of balance to this country - utu, matuku.
The current settlements are only a first step, the right to govern is not the right to rule.

Pakeha world view;
The infamous Tama Iti once said to me "Pakeha culture is Maori culture with carpets". I am pakeha simply because I am 5th generation New Zealand, 1/64 Tuhoe, the rest is a comfortable mix of Polish Jew, Australian, Kuri and Cornish (no European). I have all the advantages of being white, I am not brown enough to be considered Maori. But find I have an affinity for Maori Tekanga, protocol! Values.
One but not the other - living in one world, celebrating the journey of the other
In my view the Don Brashes of our country say they treat everyone as equal, unfortunately some are born more equal than others.
And as long as by equal they mean how things are in their colonialist world
The Hone Harawira's of this country think everyone should embrace Maori culture over western culture, we should all have to speak Te Reo.
I don't think either is right, but I like how we are mixing the two cultures together more and more each generation. I hope we can embrace the good in both cultures.

[SARGE]

You could point out how being called a Pakeha changes folks view of the world.

Being called a European is as 'offensive' as calling a Maori a Samoan. Just not where I'm from any more.

They need a new word.

honkey??


Cracker???



i garen-damn-tee my American world view is 180 degrees from alot of the Kiwi views

[Ocean1]

Maybe I am a terrible social worker...dunno but for now I just wanna get this assignment done and done well

And I wish you well.

I understand your success depends on producing a presentation that fits the company line.

I hope you understand that dogma has absolutely nothing positive to contribute in teaching anyone how to perform as an effective social worker.

[Ixion]

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Ill prob get hung for that but im tired and out of all this got only about four pics and useful input.

I gave y' one. Y' didn't want to see it.

I'll give you some words if y' want.

Duty
Honour
Justice
Solidarity
From each according to his means, to each according to his needs
Don't let a mate down
Do what y'need to do
Loyalty
Self sufficiency
Use it up, make it do
#8 wire
If you can't afford it, don't have it
Many hands make light work
Nobody respects a bludger
Nothing venture nothing gain


So what more d' y' need?

[idb]

so should I pics of brown people eating KFC and playing pokies?

This isnt a race debate. Worldviews arent just neg.... Theres gotta be pos veiws. I dont want my part to be all about bad symbolic race issues. What bout agriculture, science, law, politics, womens rights to vote, medicine, democracy...Thats what I was thinking before this thread. My worldview was that "pakeha" have some great WV. Im afraid I havent seen many here. It would be very easy to do this in a racial way, but thats boring and expected.

As a part "pakeha" person I am disapointed. I def think if this is all we can come up to represent that half of me then Ill do 5 mins of black screen with pakeha have no world view scrolling.

Ill prob get hung for that but im tired and out of all this got only about four pics and useful input.

For a bit of light relief...
http://whatwhitepeoplelike.com/

There's plenty on this thread to get you going, don't buy into any of the arguments here but view them dispassionately and try to work out what the overall themes are.

[trump-lady]

I gave y' one. Y' didn't want to see it.




So what more d' y' need?

Pics? lol

Thats exactly what I wanna see....

[Winston001]

........ you’re pandering to the attitudes and prejudices which no doubt required the services of a social worker in the first place. I’m of the opinion that it very much matters whether they’re right or wrong, when you’re prepared to separate right and wrong behaviour from that driven by legitimate cultural mores you’ll have some chance of making a difference, and not until.

Absolutely agree - and Trumpy-girl has already shown she understands that.

Some things are just wrong. Bashing kids, female circumcision. Never mind cultural excuses, these are not acceptable ways to treat another human being.

But - to change the cultural behaviour, you need to understand it in context. That enables you to show respect at the same time as explaining certain changes of perspective: people do change given time and treated with dignity.