Pakeha world views?

[merv]

I am a New Zealander, neither Maori nor Pakeha.

Right on

[Trudes]

I would rather be called Pakeha than Honkey, so yeah I'm happy with it.
"New Zealander" is my origin of birth or residency, not my ethnicity. I don't hear many Maori referring to people of Asian or African decent as Pakeha, I'm afraid it's a race thing, and as much as we'd all like to live in a country/world where we are all seen for who we are and not we are, unfortunately that's probably never going to happen, people will continue to put others into a category. As long as we call Maori Maori, Maori will call people of European decent who were born in NZ, Pakeha, (sorry all those "white" folks out there who are from Scotland, Ireland etc, you look like a Pakeha so I guess you'll get called one, brown is brown, white is white, people make mistakes, by all means correct them/us).
I just see it as a way of belonging in NZ. I guess someone could think of a better name for us and promote it of course. Yes, we are all New Zealanders, but some are Maori and some are not, I don't want to be referred to as an "other", I was born here, so were my parents and most of my grandparents, I belong here now. I do get what you're saying, Australian white folk are Australians, the "black fellas" are Aborigines, but they also differentiate.... "Wog" anyone? I would think most countries does it to some degree, especially colonised ones.
Anyway, you can call yourself whatever you want, but it's harder to get other people to stop calling it as they see it.

[Headbanger]

My ethnicity sure as hell isn't defined by a word uttered by bush people a couple hundred years ago when they first saw a white man.

My ethnicity is defined by my heritage which going back 4 generations is all New Zealand.

[sidecar bob]

I would rather be called Pakeha than Honkey, so yeah I'm happy with it.

Im not. Both are total insults, i wonder which term Maori would be happier with, Nigger or Bantu.

[Trudes]

Both are total insults, i wonder which term Maori would be happier with, Nigger or Bantu. Same only different

Try them and see which one they prefer.

[Grahameeboy]

Try them and see which one they prefer.

You know...if we were all turned inside out we would all be the same colour.........get my point....

[Grahameeboy]

This also applies to 100% of the people who call themselves Maori. As long as terms such as Maori and Pakaeha are used to diffrentiate between New Zealanders of many generations then there will be a racial divide. It is one being fostered by the mixed race calling themselves Maori on to the mixed race who the Maori call Pakeha.

I am a New Zealander, neither Maori nor Pakeha.

I am "Me".........labels are bad

[Headbanger]

You know...if we were all turned inside out we would all be the same colour.........get my point....

Would that be done instantly on a world wide scale?,or slowly one by one?

[Ixion]

What planet are you on Ix? Generation Y wouldn't even grasp half of those concepts. Sadly mate they belong to a mythical past which we fondly recall.......

I disagree. I know many people of that generation . I think that they would endorse most of those terms . Maybe not always live up to them, but that's always been a struggle for everyone . Throughout history we have done those things we ought not to have done and left undone those thing we ought to have done . And they are certainly not a mythical past as far as I am concerned (unless I myself am part of a mythical past)

EDIT And there's another part of a WV in there for those that can recognise it.

[Usarka]

Being a "pakeha" is like being a man.

You get everyone elses cultures and rights thrown at you, but you aren't allowed either yourself.

I'm a new zealander too, new zealand has a culture. Pakeha doesn't.

[MisterD]

Q: What's the difference between Australia and a glass of milk?

A: If you left a glass of milk in the sun for 200 years it would develop a culture.

Sorry, BD, could...not...resist...

[Finn]

The next person to use the term "Pakeha" will be banned from the site.

[MisterD]

Making an effort with the pictures, best I can do to illustrate my worldview is these two photos...

One is Derwent Water the other, Kenepuru Sound...

[jetboy]

I have always found the term "Pakeha" (sorry Spank) to be derogatory.

I remember an incident I had at high school a wee while ago. My social studies teacher asked the class if they knew what "Pakeha" ment, and the majority responded "White Pig", which was apparently the correct answer. When asked what the word "Maori' ment I responded "Black Pig" and got booted out of class.

I am not a racist and strongly believe in the "One People, One Country" ideology and my comment above was a piss-take, seriously.

I just HATE the word Pakeha. Why can't I be a New Zealander? Or a Kiwi? Why do I have to be labled with what I take as a derogatory term and it is considered OK?
If I were Maori I would hate being referred to as the N-word and other such names.

[Usarka]

If I were Maori I would hate being referred to as the N-word and other such names.

That's why no one refers to Maori with the 'N' word, because they know it's insulting especially to the people it's aimed at.

So I wonder why Maori find it acceptable (and what the consequences are) to continue to use the 'P' word when the so many of the people it's aimed at find it insulting.....