Pakeha world views?

[tigertim20]

btw poster #1
Binary logic, multiple truths, and biculturalism are some keywords you might like to try. If you want some other information, PM me, and Ill be quite happy to help.
The fact is there IS a "pakeha" world view. every person on earth has an autonomous worldview, look up readings by said from the 70's onward, and youll get alot of info on how the western worldview has dominated, and othered native (read colonized) worldviews. The readings heavily focus on colonized natives, but have very easy to grasp implications which stretch much further.

[tigertim20]

Actually degrees and tertiary education is so full of shit, don't think your better than us uneducated dummies ... will you
Kind of smacks of arrogance dude

Perhaps I should have worded myself better. wasnt my intention to be an arrogant prick, I dont consider myself anymore intelligent than anyone else, HOWEVER, I do think I know way more on this topic than you. A great quote I read once said "being an exert means that you have made all the mistakes there are to make, and learned from them, in a very narrow, specific field" I like that quote. its accurate here. Im not suggesting that I am more intelligent than you, simply that I have spent YEARS studying this stuff full time, and written many papers etc on this stuff, and I do have the knowledge and facts to bak up what Im saying. I dont have a fucking clue how to set the timing on an engine, but there are thousands of people on here who know all the ins and outs of doing it. doesnt make them any smarter than me. Pount is, degrees arent "shit" at all, a degree and an apprenticeship for that matter, are EXTREMELY relevant, and usefull, "in a very narrow field"

[Ixion]

I am forcibly reminded of how much I detest social workers. One of my enduring happy memories is of watching the old bastard in the unit down the front chasing a social worker down his front path, on a zimmer frame, after suffering a major stroke. He may have been paralysed down one side and 85 years old, but he'd be buggered if she was going to shove him in any bloody rest home. And he told her so. And she never did! He died a free man in his own bed, in his own good time. A bastards bastard he was, a bloody good bloke. Chalk up one victory for the people.

[Ixion]

Perhaps I should have worded myself better. wasnt my intention to be an arrogant prick, I dont consider myself anymore intelligent than anyone else, HOWEVER, I do think I know way more on this topic than you. ..

Scarcely anything to boast of. In the same way a paedophile might say that he knew more of sex with children than any of us. Doubtless both he and you would be correct, within your chosen fields. Some might think there's not much to pick and chose between those fields of study.

[James Deuce]

Have a degree in social sciences do we? Because you are WRONG. Its comes down to a little thing called self determination. (if you had the aforementioned degree youd know what this is)
Now how exactly do you know where I was born, or have lived most of my life? very naieve of you to make such assumptions. Without going into my personal life, I have european biology, and "european" is what I associate with being.
Are you going to tell a person who defines themselves as a Maori who is quarter Maori, Quarter indian, quarter french and quarter irish that he is not a Maori? NO. You dont have the right to define others. I suggest you do some research on the theories I posted earlier, you will learn about the underlying ideas behind all of this.

Yeah. I do actually. A degree isn't a license to be a twat though.

You're not European. Go live there. You'll find that you don't fit all that well. You'll also discover that post-colonialism has resulted in a different kind of self-determination from the one you're expressing, which would most certainly only hold water in an Uber-Maori gestalt within NZ.

The gestalt you're displaying is peculiarly NZ in origin and stems from an unintended 150 year experiment. Your world view is really narrow, especially in that you're dealing in absolutes defined by theories that only work in relation to getting a good mark on an assignment that would only be given in a NZ tertiary facility.

Btw, an angry, emotive response doesn't help your case much, though you have been very helpful in supplying the OP with buzz words. The "dominant Western World View" doesn't actually hold a lot of water with most Aussies or Kiwis, and despite our current addiction with credit, we have more in common with our respective "colonial victims" than we do differences thanks to the "tyranny" of distance, both spatial and temporal, and the slow but sure influences bleeding from each culture through the medium of decent people with a fundamentally respectful attitude to other ordinary people. The phrase "inter-racial marriage" disappeared from "normal" NZ society before Rosa Parks was allowed in the front of the bus. We're subtly very different from the assumed "Pakeha" world view that intellectuals and politicians would have us believe we "suffer" from.

The key to entering a debate about gestalt is to avoid pejorative terms and to learn to sort the denotative from the connotative.

There is no "Pakeha" world view simply because the word Pakeha encompasses too many cultures to have any valid meaning. Except when it comes to writing a Social Work paper. None of us is all that important, and we musn't mistake our specialist fields as being all that important either.

[Whynot]

You're not European. Go live there. You'll find that you don't fit all that well. You'll also discover that post-colonialism has resulted in a different kind of self-determination from the one you're expressing, and most certainly would only hold water in an Uber-Maori gestalt within NZ.

This man speaks the truth

[Headbanger]

I don't consider myself any more intelligent than anyone else,

Neither does anyone else.( I fixed your English for you)

And Mr James Deuce just gave you a spanking.

[Oscar]

Yeah. I do actually. A degree isn't a license to be a twat though.

You're not European. Go live there. You'll find that you don't fit all that well. You'll also discover that post-colonialism has resulted in a different kind of self-determination from the one you're expressing, and most certainly would only hold water in an Uber-Maori gestalt within NZ.

The gestalt you're displaying is peculiarly NZ in origin and stems from an unintended 150 year experiment. Your world view is really narrow, especially in that you're dealing in absolutes defined by theories that only work in relation to getting a good mark on an assignment that would only be given in a NZ tertiary facility.

Btw, an angry, emotive response doesn't help your case much, though you have been very helpful in supplying the OP with buzz words. The "dominant Western World View" doesn't actually hold a lot of water with most Aussies or Kiwis, and despite our current addiction with credit, we have more in common with our respective "colonial victims" than we do differences thanks to the "tyranny" of distance, both spatial and temporal, and the slow but sure influences bleeding from each cultures through the medium of decent people with a fundamentally respectful attitude to other ordinary people. The phrase "inter-racial marriage" disappeared from "normal" NZ society before Rosa Parks was allowed in the front of the bus. We're subtly very different from the assumed "Pakeha" world view that intellectuals and politicians would have us believe we "suffer" from.

The key to entering a debate about gestalt is to avoid pejorative terms and to learn to sort the denotative from the connotative.

There is no "Pakeha" world view simply because the word Pakeha encompasses too many cultures to have any valid meaning. Except when it comes to writing a Social Work paper. None of us is all that important, and we musn't mistake our specialist fields as being all that important either.

Brilliant.

The only thing I would add is that this thread was doomed to fail when the word "bi-cultural" was used on the first page.

NZ hasn't been bi-cultural for at least 50 years and I don't know why it is used so often.

[tigertim20]

Scarcely anything to boast of. In the same way a paedophile might say that he knew more of sex with children than any of us. Doubtless both he and you would be correct, within your chosen fields. Some might think there's not much to pick and chose between those fields of study.

Wow. what an absolute fucktard. really no other way to put it. fucktard.

[smoky]

Perhaps I should have worded myself better. wasnt my intention to be an arrogant prick, I dont consider myself anymore intelligent than anyone else, HOWEVER, I do think I know way more on this topic than you.

So you do know what I do for living then?????

Im not suggesting that I am more intelligent than you, simply that I have spent YEARS studying this stuff full time, and written many papers etc on this stuff, ..... a degree and an apprenticeship for that matter, are EXTREMELY relevant, and usefull, "in a very narrow field"

You again presume that myself and others on here could not possibly be as educated as you?

[Usarka]

The fact is there IS a "pakeha" world view. .

Sweet, this makes it easy I don't even have to think. Please tell all the pakeha what their world view is. (just to they know who they are can you define who is a pakeha first).

You should have come along at the start of the thread and the fact is that it wouldn't have gone past post 2.

You again presume that myself and others on here could not possibly be as educated as you?

Or heavens forbid be educated AND have some real world experience.....

[smoky]

Or heavens forbid be educated AND have some real world experience.....

And can fix their own bike

[tigertim20]

Yeah. I do actually. A degree isn't a license to be a twat though. -interpret as you will.

You're not European. -Yes, I am. Go live there - been there, done it.
You'll also discover that post-colonialism has resulted in a different kind of self-determination from the one you're expressing, -explain to me exactly what kind of self determination I am expressing? because I dont think you have grasped what I am saying.

The gestalt you're displaying is peculiarly NZ in origin and stems from an unintended 150 year experiment. Your world view is really narrow, especially in that you're dealing in absolutes defined by theories that only work in relation to getting a good mark on an assignment that would only be given in a NZ tertiary facility. - No, a Theory is a base, a place to start, without a frame work to begin with, no approach in practice is likely to be successfull, same as doing a timing belt, I would imagine there is a place to start, but that each different engine would have slight differences in the way you go about replacing/fixing the item. (I wouldnt know, Im not a mechanic). Additionally the knowledge power of a theory is entirely ueless, unless you have the wisdom, which can only be learnt from profesional practice, to know how to apply it. I do understand how an engine works, but Im fucked if I can pull one apart and put it back together.

Btw, an angry, emotive response doesn't help your case much - you are misinterpreting syntax with emotion (with exception to my response to ixion)

though you have been very helpful in supplying the OP with buzz words. -simply keyword that will lead the OP to readings that will help them in their assignmnet.
The "dominant Western World View" doesn't actually hold a lot of water with most Aussies or Kiwis, -again, frameworks, you need to set a context before you can apply anything.

and despite our current addiction with credit, we have more in common with our respective "colonial victims" than we do differences thanks to the "tyranny" of distance, both spatial and temporal, and the slow but sure influences bleeding from each cultures through the medium of decent people with a fundamentally respectful attitude to other ordinary people. The phrase "inter-racial marriage" disappeared from "normal" NZ society before Rosa Parks was allowed in the front of the bus. -The rosa parks incident occured in 1955, but many years later, right here in NZ, councils refused to allow maori to build on land in white neighborhoods. Pepper potting was a later direction by councils, are you suggesting this isnt an example of "othering"?


There is no "Pakeha" world view simply because the word Pakeha encompasses too many cultures to have any valid meaning. --context, OP is in NZ, obviously the assignment is in a NZ context, and the word "pakeha" in this context is likely to refer to "non-maori", and. for the context of the assignment the OP has, the answer to the question is a definite YES. You are simply pointing out that the question has been poorly worded, a sentiment with which I wholeheartedly agree.

None of us is all that important, and we musn't mistake our specialist fields as being all that important either.

- I havent suggested that anyone is more important than anyone else, simply pointed out that if I wanted my car fixed, Id go to a mechanic, not a lawyer, and if I wanted legal advice, Id go to a lawyer, not a doctor.

Crazy really. Simply came on here to throw some ideas out to the OP that I knew would be helpfull, and provide direction to some valuable resources, and it turns into a full blown argument. what the fuck? lol funny really.

To The OP, I do hope that you use some of the info, and use.discard as you see fit, I came in here to offer some advice to the OP, which I have done, so good luck on your assignment.

[Usarka]

I suggest you do some research on the theories I posted earlier, you will learn about the underlying ideas behind all of this.

I suggest you do some travelling, then get a real job.

[Big Dave]

None of us is all that important,

Excuse me???