Police get riders at over 200 km/h

[3umph]

For sure, I see what you are saying. However despite a person's riding ability or years of experience there can be no doubt that speed can exponentially increase the degree of severity when things don't go to plan.

so can ice grit on a part of road or even a bit of black tar or a sheep running out or the roack on the road from a slip... and heaven forbid a cop doing a u-turn

everything is a hazard... everything can potentially kill... I think we should all get wrapped up in cotton wool and live in padded rooms so nothing will happen to us

[Murray]

WTF - then how come I can get 344 out of my 108hp Hornet?


I was after 350+ and thought that doing it naked covered in Vaseline would help the friction (Honda riders always have a tub of vaseline handy...), however it just attracted a lot of bugs that increased my surface area, thus slowing me down to 344

Pictures soon.......

Are we saying that you were trying to sell it for $350+ (bit expensive) and when you got on it naked the price went down??? So it should cause i bet you left skidmarks!

[Mikkel]

I'm told that any speed over 40 km above the limit is an instant 28 day suspension of your licence + 28 days in the vehicle impound.
40k over IS a breach of the boy racer laws, thats life in helengrad
I think you actually get less for DIC than for excessive speed.

Incorrect - on both counts.

Although, if you get an instant 28 day disqualification while on a bike you will most likely need to get your bike taken somewhere.

40 km/h above is just speeding. It doesn't figure under the boyracer legislation (i.e. display of excessive acceleration(this must accompany a main charge - e.g. speeding, careless use...), sustained loss of traction and what have you).

DIC is a criminal offense I believe and as such it is much nastier than any speeding fine - it'll go on your criminal record. Monetary penalty may be less than a high speeding fine - but for DIC I believe you'll receive an automatic 6 months disqualification, the first time.

[smoky]

despite a person's riding ability or years of experience there can be no doubt that speed can exponentially increase the degree of severity when things don't go to plan.

of course
For my self; if I find I'm having the ol' 'heart leap into my mouth' kind of moments on my bike, then I need to calm down.


Over cooking a corner, having to lock up the rear wheel for something, back wheel breaking loose unexpectedly - these things can happen even at safe speeds, but if they are happening with regularity then I know I'm pushing it too far - and I slow down

Over confidence on a bike (or even in a car) can kill, for me it's the number one thing I keep reminding myself

[1vanvan1]

leaving aside the question of whether this particular speed in these circumstances was safe or not, (my view being that it was, others, not so much) the thing that shits me about this is the blind belief that an arbitrarily picked velocity is somehow "Safe" and yet a velocity 2% more than that is by definition unsafe: i.e. 99 kph is "safe" but 101 kph is "not safe". That just isnt true: what is "safe" is up to the rider or driver, and depends on a lot of factors: how they feel, whether they had coffee, is it raining, is the road flat and wide, is there other traffic around etc etc etc.

The abandonment of personal responsibility is, I think, what I am getting at.

My long held view is that there should not be any arbitrary speed limit anywhere: there are already enough mechanisms for determining whether particular conduct in particular circumstances is careless, reckless or dangerous, and appropriate penalties if after due investigation, it is found that the person has not met those standards, in those circumstances.

But of course to corrupt politicians (and all politicians are corrupt because they all have a vested interest: they need to be popular enough to be elected again so they can get yet another trotter in the trough) the lie that"speed kills" is an easy sell, coupled with a lazy and corrupt media who buy into it.

So, I will continue to decide how fast I want to go* in any given set of circumstances, because that is the morally correct thing to do.

Bring on the flame war.





*remember what I ride on the street... its happiest at 100 to 120 kph. but it might have been north of 160 a few times.



oh, and people going on about "if you want to do 200k go to the racetrack"

Absolute speed is irrelevant on a racetrack, and if you've ever done a trackday they advise you to blank off your speedo because its distracting. Relative speed (i.e. am I quicker than my mate) is all that matters. so 60, 80, 180 or 280 doesnt matter there. Any given velocity is simply a byproduct of being at the racetrack.

Meh. might go to kaikoura for lunch. lets see, its about 200k away, so just over an hour. That works.

I totally agree with you.

Speed is in the eye on the driver. Speed limits are there because it is the 'safe' speed to go. Not always true.

Not a dig at anyone in particular but, Old people for example. Driving in a 70 zome at 50. Is it because they don't want to break the law? Don't think so. It is because that is the speed they feel safe doing. Learners are another, When we all started out learning we all drove real slow as driving was a new thing and that is as safe as we felt going. Not rasict here or anything but I live in Howick. And quite often drive past china town. And boy do they drive slow sometimes. Is it because they are law abiding? Once again. I dont think it is.

So in conclusion. Speed is in the eye of the driver and how safe they feel driving at speed.

I am not saying go full tit everywhere you go. But drive to the condition.

For example. Your driving through a industrial area and you never saw a speed sign so you don't know what the speed is. By law you should go 50 as its not sign posted but would you? No you would probabaly drive somewhere between 60-70 because thats what you feel is SAFE for that area.

I am not saying these uys actions are right or wrong, Just my perspective on it.

I have touched 200+ before manyatimes. But in places i know the road and obviously when the road is clear.

[jafar]

Incorrect - on both counts.

Although, if you get an instant 28 day disqualification while on a bike you will most likely need to get your bike taken somewhere.

40 km/h above is just speeding. It doesn't figure under the boyracer legislation (i.e. display of excessive acceleration(this must accompany a main charge - e.g. speeding, careless use...), sustained loss of traction and what have you).

DIC is a criminal offense I believe and as such it is much nastier than any speeding fine - it'll go on your criminal record. Monetary penalty may be less than a high speeding fine - but for DIC I believe you'll receive an automatic 6 months disqualification, the first time.

Could be right too, I'm only going off hearsay & besides I never speed

[Thani-B]

DIC is a criminal offense I believe and as such it is much nastier than any speeding fine - it'll go on your criminal record. Monetary penalty may be less than a high speeding fine - but for DIC I believe you'll receive an automatic 6 months disqualification, the first time.

True. There is no way to get off a DIC charge. You get pulled up and blow over your limit, you are screwed. You may not lose your licence right then but after your court appearace you have at least 3 months (depending on age and how much over the limit you are) with no wheels.

And it is a criminal offense. It is there until you can apply to have it wiped (7 years I think?).

[PrincessBandit]

so can ice grit on a part of road or even a bit of black tar or a sheep running out or the roack on the road from a slip... and heaven forbid a cop doing a u-turn

everything is a hazard... everything can potentially kill... I think we should all get wrapped up in cotton wool and live in padded rooms so nothing will happen to us

I'd still rather take my chances with any of those things at a lower speed than a higher one. Doesn't guarantee my survival but I'm sticking with what I said. Faster speed gives less reaction time and greater velocity to get rid of if needed. And yes I have had experience with this, currently not able to ride for at least another month; and yes I walked away from what could have been a disastrous result (on the motorway in South Auckland); and yes people have died in lesser speed accidents than the one I had; yes everyone who goes out in a vehicle (motorbike, truck, car, bicycle) knows there is risk involved. Blah blah blah. But trying to minimise the shit stuff is not the same as living in bubble wrap.

[klingon]

...crock of shit... Who the fuck's ...fucken racetracks ...fucken outings ... fucken year ... some shit... fuck-all.. fucken safe... the main fucken highway ...tough shit.

...fucktard squids ...wank wank wank wank ... bullshit...fucken book ...arsehole squids ...fucking good long hard whipping...these fuckers ...

*Hands the Viscount a bar of soap and a scrubbing brush*

[Maha]

Shit, i just read 14 pages of PIFFLE.
A brief summary fo those who have just joined us, like myself:

Katman & our friend Doug over there in the corner - anything over 100KPH is directly from the devil, death to the infidels of law. Laws are made for our well being.

madbikeboy and few few other like minded peoplez - 211KPH in the right area at the right time is hardly something to wake the Prime minister up about.

and basically, it is this banter backwards and forwards to varying degrees.

I love the nutshell version of most threads.....
Did you actually read all 14 odd pages?....only to discover what a waste of fucken time?
Now if someone like yourself could take sole charge of thread skimming, it will benefit the less interested.

[MIXONE]

I find I can only do those sort of speeds after smoking P otherwise I can't concentrate.
Afterwards I go bash a few seals then melt them down for their blubber.It's the best thing to cook whale steaks in.

[Brett]

I love the nutshell version of most threads.....
Did you actually read all 14 odd pages?....only to discover what a waste of fucken time?
Now if someone like yourself could take sole charge of thread skimming, it will benefit the less interested.

Amusingly, yes I did! And I realised 30 mins later than I would never get those 30 mins back...in fact...why am I even still active in this thread?????

[SPman]

Sorry, but that is FAR too fast to be going on a public road. .

You're right!
Anything over 200kph is just far too serious.

[ajturbo]

i recon this is a big old have....

just to see what sort of respons the kiwibiker group would come up with and who would say how bad it was and who would say how impressed they were ... and then there's me...

bummer guys....but you stopped??????????

why????

[munterk6]

maybe ran out of gas? maybe another copcar tried to kill them by turning in front of them? maybe they felt guilty and wanted to come clean? Maybe maybe maybe..... I know who they are, but I can't say.