On Marijuana

[Forest]

I don't see the connection.

The lowering of the drinking age had nothing to do with saving dollars but all to do with increasing the beer consumption as it was loosing out to wine sales. Shiply sold this as a social thing. I might add that I was never conned into this assumption but saw it for what it was. Doug Meyers hand in social engineering and increasing profits for the brewing industry.


Skyryder

The drinking age was lowered by a conscience vote in parliament. There was no conspiracy.

The main argument was that 18 is held to be the age of majority in this country. At 18 a citizen is legally able to marry, enter into binding contracts. vote, fight, and die in service for his/her country.

There was also a hope that a european style drinking culture would begin to take hold. Unfortunately that did not happen.

[awayatc]

Biggest difference between NZ and Europe in regards to drinking age/driving age;
In Europe you can legaly drink , and sort out how you handle alcohol a few years BEFORE you are allowed to drive....

In New Zealand you are allowed to drive BEFORE you are legaly allowed to drink....
Sorting out your drinking habits while in posession of a motorvehicle.....

No way can that ever work.....,

[Mikkel]

Anyone that does not believe this statement?

It's called 'FACT'. Not a statement. The above scientific study has numerous citations and has been crossed referenced in many scientific journals across the world.

For a person not to realise that marijuana physically damages your brain and significantly reduces your memory and ability to learn new information - is either a) current pot user or b) has the IQ of a used tea bag. - most likely both in my opinion.

I must assume that you are taking the piss. If you are then no worries...

If you aren't - making a claim without supporting evidence or a reference to a supporting study is about the furthest you can get from FACT.

I could state that the earth is flat and say that it was a fact - it wouldn't mean I was right though.

...well that shut all the stoners up.

Suddenly coming to the sad realisation that you are damaging your brain - the most complex and sophisticated object known to man.

Yeah good going aye... not so cool now is it.

If you aren't taking the piss here I must say that this shit has got to be the single most condescending piece of rubbish I have yet encountered on KB.

Alcohol and tobacco we all know will cause damage to your body - red meats may also have an adverse effects upon your health. Hell, if you drink too much water too quickly that's bad for you too.

Try as we may, life will end sooner or later - whether one abstains from all "risky" activities or not. That doesn't mean that you necessarily are going to live a happy hundred years though. Living in the moment has a much greater appeal to me than being abstinate and looking forward to many decades of being old. Being a moralising wanker who lives to a ripe old age is just going to make you into an old moralising wanker.

[CookMySock]

The trouble with memory loss is you cannot remember what you have forgotten.

Thats heavy, bro. Heavy.

I hope the Police hurry up and implement road side drug testing as a daily routine procedure like breath testing for alcohol is.

Now you are just being mean.

...well that shut all the stoners up.

Suddenly coming to the sad realisation that you are damaging your brain - the most complex and sophisticated object known to man.

Yeah good going aye... not so cool now is it.

Um, no. We been out riding all day.

We do get what you're saying moite. I'm a firm believer in "Do what you want - choose your your own path - learn by your own mistakes." The thing is, other people are not at the same place as you personally. So hey we might get to the same place as you and do what you do - who knows? For now, you are doing as you choose, and so are we - long may it continue.

Steve

[Disco Dan]

I must assume that you are taking the piss. If you are then no worries...

If you aren't - making a claim without supporting evidence or a reference to a supporting study is about the furthest you can get from FACT.

I could state that the earth is flat and say that it was a fact - it wouldn't mean I was right though.



If you aren't taking the piss here I must say that this shit has got to be the single most condescending piece of rubbish I have yet encountered on KB.

Alcohol and tobacco we all know will cause damage to your body - red meats may also have an adverse effects upon your health. Hell, if you drink too much water too quickly that's bad for you too.

Try as we may, life will end sooner or later - whether one abstains from all "risky" activities or not. That doesn't mean that you necessarily are going to live a happy hundred years though. Living in the moment has a much greater appeal to me than being abstinate and looking forward to many decades of being old. Being a moralising wanker who lives to a ripe old age is just going to make you into an old moralising wanker.

I am so glad your not responsible for anything important in this country.

Hmm should I believe a scientist with years of study, research, experience and moral high standing.... or a stoner on a motorbike forum with an IQ less than that of a used tea bag...

We do get what you're saying moite. I'm a firm believer in "Do what you want - choose your your own path - learn by your own mistakes." The thing is, other people are not at the same place as you personally. So hey we might get to the same place as you and do what you do - who knows? For now, you are doing as you choose, and so are we - long may it continue.

Steve

I think that must be the most insightful thing I have read of yours on KB.

[Hinny]

It intrigues me that it seems easy to spot the posts of those that don't, or have never used cannabis.
They invariably come across as plonkers.

[DMNTD:Me]

Hmm should I believe a scientist with years of study, research, experience and moral high standing.... or a stoner on a motorbike forum with an IQ less than that of a used tea bag...

Isn't it also interesting that these so called experts/scientists can come up with an opposing "fact" if it so suits/pays, as well?

If it's not going to hurt anyone else...go hard!

[Hinny]

The above scientific study has numerous citations and has been crossed referenced in many scientific journals across the world.

For a person not to realise that marijuana physically damages your brain and significantly reduces your memory and ability to learn new information - is either a) current pot user or b) has the IQ of a used tea bag. - most likely both in my opinion.

I take it you are referring to the Ak. University study I referenced in my post http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...32#post1420832

I believe it was 'crossed referenced' in Playboy.
I'm not sure that would be classed as a scientific journal by most however, despite the biological and cultural focus of the magazine.
I guess more glossy photos elevates it above 'journal' class.

I can understand that you might feel concerned that this clear scientific evidence is completely ignored by the majority of users of this insidious scourge of our modern society.

But what's a man to do eh? If you suggest that people should stop using it you get roundly condemned and called a plonker.
There is no justice in this world.

[Disco Dan]

I take it you are referring to the Ak. University study I referenced in my post http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...32#post1420832

I believe it was 'crossed referenced' in Playboy.
I'm not sure that would be classed as a scientific journal by most however, despite the biological and cultural focus of the magazine.
I guess more glossy photos elevates it above 'journal' class.

I can understand that you might feel concerned that this clear scientific evidence is completely ignored by the majority of users of this insidious scourge of our modern society.

But what's a man to do eh? If you suggest that people should stop using it you get roundly condemned and called a plonker.
There is no justice in this world.

The more you post the more stupid you appear to be.

I have 8 years experience working in mental health. Most recently working in drug and alcohol rehab centres. All of the places I work have vast quantities of books for the staff to read to help keep everyone upto date on the latest advances and techniques. I photocopy exerts which will help me and others as I progress through and help other people. My original post was one of them. The link you posted came across to me as a blatant 'piss take' so no, I did not read into it any further.

It intrigues me that it seems easy to spot the posts of those that don't, or have never used cannabis.
They invariably come across as plonkers.

Oh you meant me. Oh my you are having a bad day... too much of the wacky backy today I think for you. If your english language skills where as good as your disregard for factual information you would realise that my initial post said I was a previous user of marijuana. It took me many years to realise the grip the drug had over me and to hit rock bottom. I know understand the destructive nature of the drug and the huge damage it can do to the human brain.

[gatch]

Oh you meant me. Oh my you are having a bad day... too much of the wacky backy today I think for you. If your english language skills where as good as your disregard for factual information you would realise that my initial post said I was a previous user of marijuana. It took me many years to realise the grip the drug had over me and to hit rock bottom. I know understand the destructive nature of the drug and the huge damage it can do to the human brain.

You're not disco at all are you...

"You should be daaancin, yeah !", that's disco. Now dance rummy.

[Mikkel]

I am so glad your not responsible for anything important in this country.

Hmm should I believe a scientist with years of study, research, experience and moral high standing.... or a stoner on a motorbike forum with an IQ less than that of a used tea bag...

Funny, I am quite glad I am not resposible for the messy state of affairs too.

That aside, your last posts shows us two things quite clearly - 1) you weren't taking this piss so that would make you a self-righteous, born-again, hypocritical wanker, 2) you aren't afraid to talk shit about stuff you don't even have the faintest clue about.

Thank you for playing, too bad you fail.

[Mikkel]

Isn't it also interesting that these so called experts/scientists can come up with an opposing "fact" if it so suits/pays, as well?

With an agenda, a loose grasp of statistics and a less than rigorous approach to the scientific method everything is possible mate.

If it's not going to hurt anyone else...go hard!

Exactly. Life in a free world should be exactly that easy.

[jrandom]

"They'll give you the biggest song and dance you ever heard... well, I, you know... got up. I know I got to school... and watched TV... and I just hung out. They'll give you all these vague terms just like an Alzheimer's case."

I don't think I've ever met a teenager who'd respond in any other way.

Bits and pieces flash back now and again that are earlier but I have literally lost the vast majority of my childhood memories. For a drug that is "harmless" and should be legal for everyone - thats pretty devastating.

Pfft. Nothing in life is 'harmless'.

Nobody ever held a gun to your head and forced you to spend the majority of your waking hours baked for years on end, y'know. Which is what I expect you did. You've probably smoked more weed before your thirtieth birthday than I will during the entire span of my life.

And, quite frankly, I have a sneaking suspicion you were born a little on the dumb side. No offense meant, etc.

Just remember - all things in moderation.

And am I in favour of taking the warning labels off everything and letting the idiots remove themselves from the gene pool one way or another?

In general... yes. Freedom of choice is a two-edged sword which tends, over time, to prune what needs pruning.

[jrandom]

Surely your not saying it is okay to ride while stoned??

OK or not, I'd still give you the learn, dude.

[Hinny]

I photocopy exerts which will help me and others as I progress through and help other people.

If your english language skills where as good as your disregard for factual information ...

Some one getting tired?