Tyrewarmer ban.

[Benk]

They are available and inexpensive and if it makes racing safer then why ditch them?

Dont be bloody stupid. What the hell would we mass debate (fucking clever I know) about on KB.

He who moots the most points wins!

[Str8 Jacket]

Tyre warmers are banned in streetstock class according to the MNZ rules for streetstock. They are not used "down south".

Interesting, not what we have been told.... did the rules change this year or something cause I am pretty sure that tyre warmers were allowed for streetstock's by MNZ however supplementary rules from (VMCC) disallowed this. The reason I say that there was ALOT of confusion around tyre warmers and streetstock bikes last year in Vic Club and this is what I was told by a few people.

I am OK with being wrong though...

[cowpoos]

This is what the threads about. Just because the Right Mr Taylor wants to jump on every thread I start to push his barrow and post crap doesn't mean I have to respond. Same goes for you Poos piss off and start your own thread. Don't expect me to answer your questions if you haven't even read the thread and attempted to answer its questions.
As I've said before if you think a thread is "daft" don't post on it and it will die a natural death.

Yes I did read your thread...and my questioning was direct...because I'm not a beating around the bush type of person. and in all honesty its obvious by not responding that I have hit a nerve.
and in all honesty maybe you are right...maybe I should ignore your petty little games that you have been playing of late on here. But the thing is...people who don't understand or lack the knowledge in the area's you have been discussing will easily be lead astray by your postings...
aswell as I and many many people on here find your constant attacks on Robert Taylor and others in the industry, totally distasteful and pathetic...it speaks volumes about Roberts character that he persists with educating people [and trying tirelessly in your case] on this website, despite constant attacks on his intentions, character and credentials...honestly Gary if Craig Shirriffs showed you a line around a corner...would you question the need to ride that line, compared with the line that a 100 other riders with no credentials at all were using??
You just wouldn't...then why hammer Roberts expertise all the time?
I can understand you taking the Piss out of his sense of humour at times..winding him up about his political views..but the help he gives to all in this forum is appreciated and warmly received by the majority..he is a expert in his field...and I would far rather a Expert sold me a suspension unit than a salesman with a big mouth, thats full of big promises and nothing else.

So stop making a dick of yourself.

next point...my original post was genuine. I am really curious to know why your challenging years of expertise in motorcycle technology??
If your planning to come up with an innovative idea in some area...knock yourself out!!
But the Jist of what you keep talking about...always relates back to dumbing down motor racing?? seriously...if we wanted to step backwards we would just go race classics wouldn't we???

So, say, running, as a sport, would be enhanced if everyone was allowed titanium spring shoe technology that required 5 jobs to purchase and maintain and a squad of technicians to service? No-one would take it up until 35 yrs old, the talent and level would be mediocre, the handful of people who had sacrificed education, travel, families education etc., to do it (& the spring technicians/salesmen) would declare that it was `worth it'. Sound like a sport we know?

interesting analogy...hmmm
Problem with our sport isn't really numbers...club grids are full all the time.
Problem is fulling the superbike grid at national level..maybe a few more in the other classes won't hurt either...but they weren't really an issue.

back to your analogy...motorsport is expensive...you might just have to get over it!! race what ever ya want...in what ever class ya fit in...if you want,desire to win...you will work out a way to get better equipment.

[Tony.OK]

So, say, running, as a sport, would be enhanced if everyone was allowed titanium spring shoe technology that required 5 jobs to purchase and maintain and a squad of technicians to service? No-one would take it up until 35 yrs old, the talent and level would be mediocre, the handful of people who had sacrificed education, travel, families education etc., to do it (& the spring technicians/salesmen) would declare that it was `worth it'. Sound like a sport we know?

I hardly think the price of warmers is going to have people working 5 jobs, they are relatively cheap now, no more than a set of tyres.
And for the sake of piece of mind in traction of the line, a set can save major costs in repairs............................and taking it up at 35 and being mediocre........well that just hurt my feelings

There was a very good article a while back in the pommy Superbike mag about tyre warmers, they tested them on road bikes before a normal street ride on normal street tyres.
Turned out that they ran hotter for the 1st 2 kms then the tyres cooled down to their nominal operating temp, and when no warmers were used the tyres reached the same nominal temp in 2km or so.
So for anything less than spirited road riding there was no need for them really.
I'd say that if the big companies could come up with something they would, you've only got to go back 10 years to see the difference in technology..................eg: they now add silica to tyres, a definate feed down from MotoGP etc.
I would be guessing the scientists are probably already searching for what you ask for Gary, just for a bike theres alot more at stake than a car on cold tyres spinning out.

[Kevin G]

Interesting, not what we have been told.... did the rules change this year or something cause I am pretty sure that tyre warmers were allowed for streetstock's by MNZ however supplementary rules from (VMCC) disallowed this. The reason I say that there was ALOT of confusion around tyre warmers and streetstock bikes last year in Vic Club and this is what I was told by a few people.

I am OK with being wrong though...

Just as well....rule 22-12-10 paragraph 3

http://www.motorcyclingnz.co.nz/down...oad_Racing.pdf

[GSVR]

and in all honesty...most of us are racing for the thrill...battling your skills of mind[race craft,setup knowledge,concentration, anilitical ability,etc], body [balance,co-ordination,fitness,perception,etc], soul [drive, heart, afinity for other racers,desire for improvement, DEDICATION ie: working 5 jobs to have what you need]...and being able to be 'THAT PERSON' that on the day has the package to be the fastest person,consistantly at that track in his/hers class...and those people just do what it takes!!

Thats really funny. Just for Tony Ok. I wonder if Cowpoos had tyrewarmers when he cartwheeled his bike in the scrub session 3 years ago. I don't think he's ever recovered from that one!

[GSVR]

Just as well....rule 22-12-10 paragraph 3

http://www.motorcyclingnz.co.nz/down...oad_Racing.pdf

Well that explains all the Streetstock carnage into turn one.

[Billy]

Well that explains all the Streetstock carnage into turn one.

Where and when???

[GSVR]

Where and when???

Sarcasm is not whats its cracked up to be. Streetstocks are not fast enough to need warm tyres and you can't squeeze the brakes hard enough to lock the front up. Plus the riders are better at coping with slides.

[Sully60]

Sarcasm is not whats its cracked up to be. Streetstocks are not fast enough to need warm tyres and you can't squeeze the brakes hard enough to lock the front up. Plus the riders are better at coping with slides.

Raced a lot of streetstock have ya?
Cold wet mornings at the old Taupo track were fun I can tell you!

[GSVR]

Raced a lot of streetstock have ya?
Cold wet mornings at the old Taupo track were fun I can tell you!

Had a couple of Suzuki X5's does that count?

So do you think possibly letting Streetstocks run wets and tyrewarmers would be a positive move for the sport? Maybe just for winter racing.

[Str8 Jacket]

Just as well....rule 22-12-10 paragraph 3

http://www.motorcyclingnz.co.nz/down...oad_Racing.pdf

lol! Anyway, I do believe my original point was that we dont use tyre warmers at VMCC and dont need to.

[svr]

honestly Gary if Craig Shirriffs showed you a line around a corner...would you question the need to ride that line, compared with the line that a 100 other riders with no credentials at all were using??
You just wouldn't...then why hammer Roberts expertise all the time?

Actually RTs technical expertise is never `hammered' - or even questioned - on this website. On the contrary it is gratefully appreciated - even by those who disagree with his ideological slant on motorcycle racing.

[Sully60]

Had a couple of Suzuki X5's does that count?

So do you think possibly letting Streetstocks run wets and tyrewarmers would be a positive move for the sport? Maybe just for winter racing.

No I don't, I was just questioning your experience of racing streetstock.

I learned my basic craft racing 150s but the then very strict rules limited my knowledge. No suspension adjustment, no gearing changes, control tyres and stock everything (not quite like today) meant that after two seasons I felt the need to move on. That's fine it is an entry level class.
Are you inferreing that all classes should be so confined and therefore limit the potential for development both for the rider and machine?

[svr]

Cold wet mornings at the old Taupo track were fun I can tell you!

Frosty mid-winter mornings were good too. No qualifying either so the `warmup' lap was a race for pole position which required skill, experience and large stones.
A lost `art' that - riders have been dumbed down by tyre warmer and lap timer technology .