Petition for removal of L plate and 70km/hr limit????

[MSTRS:Me]

Between 10pm and 5am a lot of people sleep. When you are still learning to ride a bike, you are more likely to make mistakes if you are tired. And motorbikes aren't the easiest things to see in the dark, especially if you are learning and likely to do random things.

And how do you rationalise this for those that work nightshifts?? The darkness angle doesn't fly either, since the cutoff time is the same all year round. Summer full dark say 9.30pm. Winter full dark say 5.30pm.

An L plate warns other drivers that you may take a bit more time to do things, may stall at the traffic lights etc. Theoretically this will make people more understanding.

That's the theory - gives fair warning etc but the pathologically blind or stupid will always be a problem

Of course I've only been on my learners for 2 weeks. In 22 weeks time I will probably be heartily sick of it all, and be cursing the LTSA.

You will...

[Lou Girardin]

The BHT is exactly that. It simply ensures that you can operate a bike before you're allowed in traffic.
The L plate was introduced so that other drivers realise that they are learners and treat them with tolerance and courtesy.
The 70 km/h limit may have made some sense when the limit was 80, now it presents too great a differential to be safe.
It probably is time for a review. But then you have the probability of the LTNZ stuffing it all up.

[Postie]

how is it illigal to carry a full drivers licence and a r motorcycle lisence??

[Hitcher]

how is it illigal to carry a full drivers licence and a r motorcycle lisence??

You are only allowed one licence. When you were issued with your learner licence you should have been asked to surrender your previous full licence. If you have a restricted motorcycle licence it will state the other classes of licence you hold. It will be yellow, and have a code that says something like "1, 6R" at the bottom. Any green licence you may have once held is made invalid once you get issued a blue or yellow one. Presenting an invalid licence is an illegal act. Code 5b on your licence is the version control number.

[Ixion]

Go directly to jail, if the cop who apprehends you does a license check. It is illegal to carry two licenses, as you describe. And the cop will probably be totally indifferent as to which mannor you're in, as that doesn't affect his jurisdiction.

I do not believe that it is illegal. The "old" licence will be invalid, so if you present it to a cop and he checks it, he will come back and say "Your licence is no longer valid" - whereupon you'll need to give him the "new" one.

Incidentally I have heard several cases of this (IMHO stupid) practice causing no end of problems for people trying to rent a car overseas. Turnip up to the rental desk and give them your licence with "learner" plastered all over it and see how far you get. And pointing to the , to them incomprehensible, 1, 6L bit ain't going to get you any further. It is a genuine problem, caused once again by the stupidity of the bureaucrats , who as usual don't give a stuff. Why CAN'T you have a separate licence for each stage? Fair enough to just list the classes if you're at the same stage on each ( so the guy with classes 1 2 3 4 5 6 doesn't need to carry 6 licences ) , but a learner licence is NOT the same thing as a full licence.

[Ixion]

.. Presenting an invalid licence is an illegal act. .

Citation please .

[bugjuice]

You are only allowed one licence. When you were issued with your learner licence you should have been asked to surrender your previous full licence. If you have a restricted motorcycle licence it will state the other classes of licence you hold. It will be yellow, and have a code that says something like "1, 6R" at the bottom. Any green licence you may have once held is made invalid once you get issued a blue or yellow one. Presenting an invalid licence is an illegal act. Code 5b on your licence is the version control number.

and the fact he's on a 400..??

[Postie]

You are only allowed one licence. When you were issued with your learner licence you should have been asked to surrender your previous full licence. If you have a restricted motorcycle licence it will state the other classes of licence you hold. It will be yellow, and have a code that says something like "1, 6R" at the bottom. Any green licence you may have once held is made invalid once you get issued a blue or yellow one. Presenting an invalid licence is an illegal act. Code 5b on your licence is the version control number.

they never asked me to submit my full drivers licence when i got my bike licence 3 years ago and i have presented my drivers licence when i was stopped in my car about 4 months ago and no questioned were asked and it was and still is valid. so ho0w do you explain that?

[Hitcher]

they never asked me to submit my full drivers licence and i have presented it when i was stopped in my car about 4 months ago and no questioned were asked and it was and still is valid. so ho0w do you explain that?

The fact that you presented an invalid licence (which by definition it must be) and got away with it does not validate that licence. The only valid licence you have is your yellow one. This will still state that you have a full licence for a car, so you are doing yourself no favours by using your old invalid green licence. Of course you can still use it as you have indicated. But don't come moaning here if you get busted for doing this.

[Hitcher]

I do not believe that it is illegal. The "old" licence will be invalid, so if you present it to a cop and he checks it, he will come back and say "Your licence is no longer valid" - whereupon you'll need to give him the "new" one.

I'm not disagreeing with you or defending LTNZ's licencing policies. I'm just telling you how it is.

Having had to lose a green licence to get a blue, then yellow and, eventually, a green one again, I agree that this is a stupid system. It makes more sense to get a green licence with "6L" or "6R" printed on it. I raised this with LTNZ at the time.

And when I get a moment I shall produce the references that support my assertion about the illegality of presenting an invalid licence.

[Postie]

But don't come moaning here if you get busted for doing this.

Yes dad.......

but seriously, i would never have thought that it would be illigal but i also would have thought that since i was issued demerit points for doing 100 over the harbour bridge and the cop took my licence to check, that he might have said something to this effect. I'm not saying your wrong, i'm just saying that i have presented my full drivers licence and i am not in jail.

[Hitcher]

Yes dad.......

but seriously, i would never have thought that it would be illigal but i also would have thought that since i was issued demerit points for doing 100 over the harbour bridge and the cop took my licence to check, that he might have said something to this effect. I'm not saying your wrong, i'm just saying that i have presented my full drivers licence and i am not in jail.

And I'm saying you're lucky. Be warned.

[Rosie]

I didn't get a blue licence when I got my class 2 learners last year. Which made me all the more surprised when I got my blue licence this time. I got a class 4 learners at the same time as my motorbike licence, so I'll be interested to see what colour subsequent licences are (4L blue + 6R yellow = green?)

The AA took my licence off me and cut it up when I did my learners test. Maybe they are aware of the multiple licence trick.

And as far as the illegality of the old licence, I imagine if you gave the cop your old licence, he figures out that it's not valid, and you say "ha, ha, nearly had you, here's the real one" they wouldn't shrug and say "oh well, it's not illegal" and leave you to go on your merry way.

http://www.legislation.govt.nz probably has something to say on the matter.

[marty]

the 70 limit for bikes is probably there as car learners are supposed to have a licenced driver in the car with them at all times, and as a learner you're not allowed to carry a pillion, so it's a 'happy' medium i guess, between not having to be supervised, and being safe during the initial learning period.

[Sketchy_Racer]

I feel that all the rules regarding L plates are fine.

You are a learner. You get a L plate. Simple.

But the 70KPH limit is a little silly. Exspially when a bike is ones only means of transport to commute to town and back each day.

And

There should be a Way that you can reduce your time on your Learners but proving that you are not a learner..

For me example.

I have Raced bikes for the 4 years on road. I would like to believe that i can ride as well or better that your average joe blog street rider.

But i am classed as a learner on road cause they dont know my history with bikes.

Confusing but can you see my point??

cheers,

-RG