My maori thread

[Dafe]

Apparantly, Auckland is expecting a mass reduction in crime over the next few days.

[Scouse]

Finn what about posting this on www.sportsbike.co.nz

[Quasievil]

Good Post Finn, you speak sence in your comments, well written and explained as well as researched.
I agree with your comments and agree with the thread.
Will have to find a few hours to get to grips with it all but good one.

I am really happy with our Pms today nice one !! not anyones business really,but cant having people thinking we arent mates eh?

Bling a coming

[mstriumph]

....... if i were of biblical persuasion, the parable of the prodigal son would spring to mind ....................

[Brian d marge]

A Maori man was found nailed to a tree, he also had been stabbed seven times, both legs were broken and his jaw was broken too.
Police said it was the worst case of suicide they had ever witnessed!

I know I know there is a special forum for this but I just felt it would fit right in here for today. Cheers John.

Had to read that twice, before I got it!! and aint that the truth. There was this advert for the independent Newspaper in the Uk

Anyway it started with a skinhead was walking along the street and from behind it looks like he is attacking an old lady,

the presenter waffles on about the independent giving a complete view of the news .. the camera pans back and you see the old lady being saved from a falling object ...

Now cut back to NZ ..7pm, dark and the police looking for a suspect....

Now not being a policeman, but I wonder if you average Golightly would go on
generalisations , I know it works for cars

lowered Mazda rotary, with dice and a boom box , is most likely to be driven by a spooty yoof with pimples,,, fast and erratically

Stephen

BTW ,,I have just spotted a yellow leaf on the tree outside YESSS , this means Autumn is only a month away !! its 33 today with 74 percent humidity

suxs to be here!

[Winston001]

The big question is.... should (emphasis on should) the descendants of long dead folks honour the treaty the said long dead folks signed?? If someone could have a crack at answering that, i would much appreciate it.

Ok. Yes. We already do. It's called Magna Carta. And the doctrine of Habeas Corpus is alive and well today as an example of its relevance.

We honour the agreements and rules decided by dead men centuries ago all of the time.

[Winston001]

The Maori got a pretty good deal,and still are getting a pretty good deal - better than any other indigenous race on the planet.We should be proud of that -

Good point. I can't think of another indigenous race which has been treated as well - even if it is rather late. The Inuit are gaining similar recognition to Maori. But the dominant attitude towards American Indians and Australian Aborigines is shocking. They aren't even regarded as human beings by some red-necks.

[Winston001]

An interesting freudian slip.( deul)

Do you mean this? http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0067023/ Great movie.

[Winston001]

That may be true. But it was a few hundred years ago. They are now a full part of this nation and have the same rights as every other NZ citizen, but because of past errors they are now above normal citizens.

It was 166 years ago - about 4 or 5 generations. Not long. Croatians still rage about Vlad the Impaler 600 years ago.

Not sure why you think Maori are above normal citizens. The problem is that they've been marginalised for decades. They still have a helleva long way to go to reach the level of normal citizens.

Having said that, many Maori are decent middle-class people with ordinary aspirations. Indiscernible from the rest of us.

[Patrick]

I think it is shit that people think being culturally sensitive means ripping down names that have stood for hundreds of years named by our countries forefathers who helped shape this nation, and just replacing them with some Maori name.

Gotta take issue here... Mt Taranaki was Mt Taranaki until the forefathers cameover and decided to change its name "by just replacing it with some European name..."

[sAsLEX]

Not sure why you think Maori are above normal citizens. The problem is that they've been marginalised for decades. They still have a helleva long way to go to reach the level of normal citizens.

Because thats whats written in the RMA and proven through case law up to the privy council, thats why!

[Patrick]

I've said it before "Northland is Viking country"

And the Te Kuiti area is viKING COUNTRY...

[Swoop]

Do you mean this? http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0067023/ Great movie.

No.
I meant your spelling of Dual. As in multiple.

You spelt it Duel, as in Back to back ten paces, turn and fire. "Draw swords and begin the duel"... "Sir, I challenge you to a duel".

[Skyryder]

Can somebody tell me (a question I've never had a clear answer to) why Maori are defined as being 'native' when they are immigrants to this land, as everyone else after them, by their own recollection/history?

The word native as used in your context simply means 'of a particular place.' As in born in Christchurch. I'm a native of Christchurch and also a native of New Zealand becasue this is where I was born The term native is a colonial expression used for indigenouse peoples by explorers and colonists who were born in another country. It presumed and inferiour culture which some still take offence to this day.

Maori that are born here are not immigrants. Their ancestors as did mine emmigrated.

Skyryder

[Colapop]

So if we are all decended from immgrants then aren't we, all of us who were born here, native and therefore, given that reasoning, entitled to 'native rights'? What then is a race or species that orginates in a particular place called? To my understanding, something like the Moa which are a native species. I'm confused.