Who's coming to BOB?

[madkeenandy]

you had better be worried... when i start to crash..

you can't stop saying that can you....

which corner? i want to get a good spot!

[ajturbo]

you can't stop saying that can you....

which corner? i want to get a good spot!

take your pick..... but i am a bit concerned... no-one told me there were CORNERS...

[madkeenandy]

awwwww god... try not to do it in the hairpin on the first lap....





unless you take out dangerous....

[dangerous]

take your pick..... but i am a bit concerned... no-one told me there were CORNERS...

LMFAO... you do realise there are one or two corners between Wellington and Ruapuna aye... otherwise you may well be crashing before you even get to us.

[Skunk]

LMFAO... you do realise there are one or two corners between Wellington and Ruapuna aye... otherwise you may well be crashing before you even get to us.

This is getting harder all the time...

[stanko]

This is getting harder all the time...

Thats just because you are getting excited

[Kickaha]

awwwww god... try not to do it in the hairpin on the first lap....

unless you take out dangerous....

I did it on lap 2 but I missed the bastard

[Skunk]

Thats just because you are getting excited

You been checking?

[madkeenandy]

I did it on lap 2 but I missed the bastard

ahhh so thats why you crashed...

[Buddha#81:Me]

ahhh so thats why you crashed...

Its past your bed time "GO TO BED".

[oyster]

I don't like shitfights, but lets get a few facts straight before giving me both barrels.

1) Last year we had 2 x 12 year olds in the buckets under the strict adherence to MNZ rules, and with prior consent of the Steward and riders.
After the first meeting, it all went well, so we did it a few more times till the end of the season. This year, because of an explosion of interest in this category, I attended the Bucket AGM to outline an obvious problem if 10 of them turned up. I was clear that unless some satisafactory idea comes up to solve the congestion on the "b" track with these young riders during races, I would cancel any further activity like this. At this point some members got all upset and left the room, preferring not to continue any discussion. Darryl Dawson stayed on for further discussion, and the idea was hatched for a dedicated class to cater for these riders via F5 (50cc) It was agreed then and confirmed later this would be the case, and until today I had no message to the contrary. In the meantime I actively "unpromoted" the idea of 12 year olds riding, actually ringing them all up to tell them not to go.
2) I have never received anything from the Bucket Club till today. I went back to the time it was alleged a message was sent, no, nothing in my inbox.
3) The MNZ rules to allow 11 and 12 year olds to road race took over 2 years to get refined and put in place, and I was one of the pivotal persons involved in developing it. All rules are open to varying interpetation, sure, but the way I have interpreteted them would see full compliance in the situation proposed. The obviously common misunderstanding regarding mixed aged groups was cleared up long ago in writing to the (then) Road Race Commissioner. In the early days when we only had a few youngsters on 150's we needed this to allow them to be on the track at the same time as classes such as Clubmans and F3. All routine stuff and the same here.

I think things would have been a lot a better with a few phone calls to discuss concerns as they arose. Most posters here pay respect to my work with young racers before roasting me. I would have thought that that respect would qualify me for a bit of consultation.

Some question my credibility after my posting. I hope it is restored in some way now that the missing facts are clear.

I had a good chat with Darryl Dawson where joint concerns are confirmed. He is clear that not only does the club feel the 11/12 year olds are ineligible,
but any young person of low skill or experience. He described Bucket Racing as competitive racing, particularly so the BOB. He said riders should have a basic minimum of competence before competing. This is contrary to some postings where people say "Any eligible rider is welcome".

Yours in the development of the sport
Peter Jones

[Rashika]

I don't like shitfights, but lets get a few facts straight before giving me both barrels.

Then dont start one

1) Last year we had 2 x 12 year olds in the buckets under the strict adherence to MNZ rules, and with prior consent of the Steward and riders.

2 vs 10...quite a difference in a race situation and that was a trial situation. And as trials go, sometimes they work and sometimes they do not. As others have said there were some issues with the younger riders and most Bucket club members were not overjoyed with them being there.

After the first meeting, it all went well, so we did it a few more times till the end of the season. This year, because of an explosion of interest in this category, I attended the Bucket AGM to outline an obvious problem if 10 of them turned up. I was clear that unless some satisafactory idea comes up to solve the congestion on the "b" track with these young riders during races, I would cancel any further activity like this. At this point some members got all upset and left the room, preferring not to continue any discussion. Darryl Dawson stayed on for further discussion, and the idea was hatched for a dedicated class to cater for these riders via F5 (50cc) It was agreed then and confirmed later this would be the case, and until today I had no message to the contrary.

I attended this meeting and there was no "agreement". It was broached as a "possibility" at some stage with the members, most of whom were against the idea, so was left as something to think about and have furthur talks on...certainly was not planned for any race like the BOB. Which for the record was only discussed as a possible event at the AGM and wasn't actually planned/decided on until after the AGM. The F5 class was decided on for those riders, uncluding the younger ones, (but NOT 11-12 years olds as they are not permited to race) with F5 eligible bikes.

In the meantime I actively "unpromoted" the idea of 12 year olds riding, actually ringing them all up to tell them not to go.
2) I have never received anything from the Bucket Club till today. I went back to the time it was alleged a message was sent, no, nothing in my inbox.

Suggest you check again...the email was certainly sent to you and has been resent to you again. And after hearing references by you about it, I think you are mistaken about receiving it.

3) The MNZ rules to allow 11 and 12 year olds to road race took over 2 years to get refined and put in place, and I was one of the pivotal persons involved in developing it. All rules are open to varying interpetation, sure, but the way I have interpreteted them would see full compliance in the situation proposed.

see kickaha's post as to current rules regarding young riders....and Darryl HAS actually spoken to MNZ this week to see if it was a possiblity and was told "NO" . You CANNOT get much clearer than that!

The obviously common misunderstanding regarding mixed aged groups was cleared up long ago in writing to the (then) Road Race Commissioner. In the early days when we only had a few youngsters on 150's we needed this to allow them to be on the track at the same time as classes such as Clubmans and F3. All routine stuff and the same here.

Then why do you not do the obvious and organise your own meetings for the younger riders? Instead of always trying to piggyback off other clubs? Canty Motorcycling do their best for you, BEARS are not able to due to time and race numbers constraints, and Buckets cannot due to similar constraints. You have been informed of this in various emails by the groups. Would you like me to post copies of the emails?

Most posters here pay respect to my work with young racers before roasting me. I would have thought that that respect would qualify me for a bit of consultation.

respect is earned not given by right

Some question my credibility after my posting. I hope it is restored in some way now that the missing facts are clear.

unfortunately the "facts" you state are not clear, simply changed to suit.

I had a good chat with Darryl Dawson where joint concerns are confirmed. He is clear that not only does the club feel the 11/12 year olds are ineligible,
but any young person of low skill or experience. He described Bucket Racing as competitive racing, particularly so the BOB. He said riders should have a basic minimum of competence before competing. This is contrary to some postings where people say "Any eligible rider is welcome".

Yours in the development of the sport
Peter Jones

That is NOT what was said in the phonecall last night, and it is obvious you were not listening to it...I was.
ANYONE over the age limit is welcome but should be prepared for people to pass them FAST...that requires experience in at least riding and being aware of other riders/road users. Bucket racing is very competitive, the average rider would be in their late 30's and generally have been racing/riding for years. It is still a damn fun class to race in, IF you are prepared for it.

Enough of this shit, lets get out there and RACE!!
Rashika aka Gwenda Williams

[Buddha#81:Me]

Pete,

I think you are missing the point. MNZ [B]WILL NOT[B] let the 11/12's run at the meeting. If they were, the fast f5 guys could be pushed up th f4 and slower f4 dropped down.

I hope any of your 13yr olds with a race licence and guardians concent will still come, they will be MORE than welcome.

As for not liking shitfights you were the one starting this on this forum.......as for restoring your credibility in my eyes you have lost all.

Pete because you dont seem to listen I will say it again so its clear, MNZ ruled that the 11/12 yr old can not race at BOB. The bucket club or BOB commitee are only adhearing to the rules of the meetings permit.

[Kickaha]

The obviously common misunderstanding regarding mixed aged groups was cleared up long ago in writing to the (then) Road Race Commissioner. In the early days when we only had a few youngsters on 150's we needed this to allow them to be on the track at the same time as classes such as Clubmans and F3. All routine stuff and the same here.

I find it very hard to misunderstand this rule

Rule 15-18-1 Riders over 10 years and under 13 years can only race against riders within this age.

Perhaps you can show show us something that sets out how MNZ are prepared to ignore there own regulations and allow 11-12 year olds to race in a competitive enviroment against riders 3-4 times there age

[dangerous]

I did it on lap 2 but I missed the bastard

Well that will learn ya... till next time

I don't like shitfights, but lets get a few facts straight before giving me both barrels.

I had a good chat with DD where joint concerns are confirmed. He is clear that not only does the club feel the 11/12 year olds are ineligible,
but any young person of low skill or experience. He described Bucket Racing as competitive racing, particularly so the BOB. He said riders should have a basic minimum of competence before competing. This is contrary to some postings where people say "Any eligible rider is welcome".

Just a sec Oyster... reloading both barrels

"Bucket Racing as competitive racing, particularly so the BOB."
I think that we should remember that 'Bucket racing is actually classed as F4 and F5, no different than F1, F2 & F3... I see no learners in those feilds.
"Any eligible rider is welcome"
is welcome, however if their riding is of some concern then it WILL be addressed regardless of age.

Pete, you seem to have this notion as quoted by you in a email

Given that Miniature Road Race is considered a "nursery" for new and particularly young riders

that F4/F5 is a beginners class of racing... it is not necessarilly, like I said it is no different than F1, next you will be wanting to put the 11yr old hairy arsed pimple faced lad up the road in a corolla and put him up against Schumacher... think about it, not going to work aye?

On a nicer note thankyou for this mornings email, it was better thought out than past ones.

Hope BoB goes well

BRMC president.