hXc - victim of road rage

[Wolf]

Years ago i was on a GT50 (only thing I could afford at the time) dickhead in a Morris 1100 jammed on the brakes in front of me without signalling, I evaded as I had plenty of room but I gave a blast on the horn as a "watch out!" alert. Turned out the driver was wearing a Mongrel Mob patch and he chased me up the road, into a side street and attempted to ram me off the road as I entered a corner.

I braked hard, he shot past and I did a U-turn and got the Hell outta Dodge - didn't stop for rego or anything, just focussed on using every last bit of manoeuvrabilty and whatever speed that little bike was capable of to loose the bloke - He was turning his car around as I fled the scene. Managed to lose myself up a couple of streets and waited until it seemed safe to continue my ride home.

Now, from reading some of the posts, I see the gang member was justified in attempting to kill me (or at least assault me with a lethal weapon) because I was totally in the wrong for beeping my horn at him and it's an offense deserving of murder.

Grow up some of you cocks! What some of you are saying is that you believe that assault is justified after being beeped at - pretty much the same mentality as the wanker who assaulted hXc.

A horn is a warning device to call attention to other drivers who do not seem to have realised you're there. We're always being told it is not for tooting out to people we know (causing annoyance to others) and now you're saying that using it as a warning signal is "wrong" and deserving of being roughed up.

Might as well rip the horns out of all vehicles as they force people to behave in a violent fashion. Bad boys, hXc and me, forcing normally calm and law abiding citizens to commit acts of violence as we have!

A few weeks ago I was behind some boi racers who decided that pulling a rakey in the middle of the lane was a cool thing to do. The retardmobile slithered all over the lane, into a side road and they did a "sustained loss of traction" U-turn and lurched towards the road they'd just left.

I had already braked and reduced speed and when I saw there was a risk that they would come flying back into the lane I crossed the centreline into the empty on-coming lane to buy myself manoeuvring room should I need it and I carried on past. Gee, I guess I'm lucky as my irresponsible behaviour in daring to pass these idiots somehow failed to force them into acts of violence against me, but I'm so glad to learn from this thread that passing some young hoons who're acting like idiots is "irresponsible" and "bringing things upon myself".

Nice also to learn that being assaulted by someone twice your mass is insignificant and it only counts if both occupants of the cage beat you up. I'm sure that's a great relief to everyone.

Fuck sakes, some of you. A fellow biker was beaten up and you get dicks posting that he deserved it and brought it on himself "because he passed them" or "beeped his horn".

I do not agree with the calls for vengeance and vigilantism in this thread but I also disagree with people being so quick to put the blame on hXc - the police and the cock that beat him up have done enough of that without the members of his own community joining in - it's not like he monoed past them screaming "I'm gonna kill every last muthfuckin' one o' ya!"

BTW, I've had the pleasure of meeting hXc, Yungatart and MSTRS and they're great people. hXc is way too cheeky to his parents to be a "mummy's boy" - quite a mature, capable and bright young man - brighter than some 19-year-olds on this site, I might add.

hXc, sorry to hear what happened, I can well imagine how you must have felt. It's not acceptable what the wanker did.

Yungatart and MSTRS, hXc is blessed to have parents like you.

Arohanui, guys.

[MSTRS:Me]

Thanks Wolf, most eloquently and succinctly put. Your ability to cut through the chaff, and to ignore the 'advice' that some have given, is a thing of awe to me.
Verily you are a prince among men.
That said, fuck you're good, man. We get redded for 'defending' our lad...hope you don't...but a green on account from me.

[DMNTD:Me]

...but a green on account from me.

Ditto...well put indeed sir,not only that 100% true IMO.

[Fatjim]

So is the ute going there regularly? or could it be he's dropping off the last of the money he owes when he bought it.

Or coming back to complain the ute is a piece of crap and he wants his money back?

Or actually visiting another house.

Or was he dropping off a hitchhiker who lived in the area.

Or was he casing one of the houses preparing to doing a burg.

Or was he stopping off to buy a 'tinnie'

Or is he a mate of the son of the person living there - and only known as Cyril to the son?

Or had the son taken the ute away to a party - and one of his party-going mates 'borrowed' it for an hour??

Facts first -acts later.

Well you'd think a copper with half a brain could figure this one out eventualy.

Wadda you think?

[Fatjim]

Interesting story now....
Many years ago a biker in New Plymouth had been drinking at his local just down the road from the copshop. He decided he had had too much to ride, so to avoid the temptation he walked down to said copshop and handed them his keys. The pricks then locked him up for being drunk in charge.
The next week he was again over what he considered his limit and, remembering his abysmal treatment, decided to just ride home.
He met two cars drag-racing and presumably was not quick enough in his reactions to avoid them.
Yes, he was killed.
The cops are NOT your friend

As you get older you tend to get more mature. When I was young, I acted in a youthful manner. I hated authority, and would rark those in authority up as much as I could, although I had a knack of not stepping too far over the line (most times).

Now I reached what I consider my prime (rubs tummy and grins) I now longer feel the same way. That youthful exuberance has now been replaced by the leasons learns in the last 30 cough cough years.

You can't TRUST those in authority, the key word here is trust. I wasn't raped by a priest, or locked up for a crime I didn't commit. But plenty of people are.

Now before people blurt out the usual drivel that all cops aren't bad (I've said it myself because I met a good one once), do you want to take the chance.

Remember, the system sucks, and if you happen to be in the right, then a dodgy copper will screw you everytime.

[scumdog]

Well you'd think a copper with half a brain could figure this one out eventualy.

Wadda you think?

Got it!!

All of the above - especially the last four words.

And regarding your last post - amazing how some people are 'professional victims' at getting screwed over by authority - and others never have a real run in with authority in their lives??

[hXc]

I feel this is appropriate to post. It was my PM to Wolf, explaining a couple of things. I don't care what the people mentioned think, or the mods either. Because quite frankly, these people are full of their own shit and need to be told to shut the fuck up.

Hey, thanks for all the nice comments mate. I've basically stopped posting in there because it fucks me off to know that people are standing up for a criminal, while a perfectly innocent man is being told that he's a criminal. I'm sure you know who those people are, and that they are full of shit.

R6_Kid and Lias are the one's who are really fucking me off. R6, because of his comments about waiting until I have a bike powerful enough to get me out of trouble, because if I wanted to, I could have easily avoided being hit, if I had known they were going to hit me. On a bike, it's not always about power, more so about tactics. I would have thought he would have known that it's not possible to tell if someone will take offence to a warning signal until after it's happened.

Next time someone looks like they're gunna thump me or whatever, I won't stop and I will do anything possible to defend my rights as an innocent motorist. If that involves speeding, foot paths or other peoples property etc then so be it. I will not stop; I have learnt that much. But I will also toot my horn at them if they are deserving of it. As you said, a horn is a warning signal - a warning to get off the fucking road is included in that.

And Lias because of his constant 'revenge' bullshit. I will not be doing anything to him or his property/vehicle. I will be looking out and maybe occasionally going past his residence, but doing nothing to harm him. If he wants to play 'chase the biker' if he sees me, then I will defend myself. If he or his car get hurt in the process then that's not my problem. But I will not go out of my way to seek revenge.

Thanks mate
Zac


I think people here need to learn to stop spouting shit. A fellow biker was attacked and you are standing up for the attacker. Grow up or shut the fuck up, because most people don't care.

[yungatart]

I think people here need to learn to stop spouting shit. A fellow biker was attacked and you are standing up for the attacker. Grow up or shut the fuck up, because most people don't care.

Most people do care, mate. Don't let a few idiots get to you, they really are not worth your time or trouble.

[jonbuoy]

The problem is - none of us were there and not everyone here knows you or what your like as people, but you put a post on a public website and all people do is put accross their personal opinion. So I think you gotta accept not everyone is going to agree 100% with you. Right or wrong. Some people will just play devils advocate from time to time. This is the same thing you would face if this went before a jury in court, it would get put down to 50/50 - which is why the police can't do much.

[sunhuntin]

I think people here need to learn to stop spouting shit. A fellow biker was attacked and you are standing up for the attacker. Grow up or shut the fuck up, because most people don't care.

hey kiddo...most of these guys are bark and no bite....talk big but thats all it is. wolf typed well, and i will be greening him...out of what? 9 pages? he seems to be the only one who spoke true.

i got tailgated big time yesterday...we both wound up at the same place. i wrote her a note and gave it to her daughter...thats what got me the most...i display an l plate, she tailgates and has two young kids in the car learning its ok to sit on a learners ass [ok, so im not a learner, just too lazy to upgrade, lol]

revenge is not ours to take, we must rely on the law to do it for us. that doesnt often happen, unfortunately. but in your words, you are a bigger man than most here....a lot of kids your age would go in guns blazing ready to kill whoever...you are taking it, learning from it and moving on.

ride safe dude...you seem like a level headed guy, id love the chance to meet you and your folks one day.

[Wolf]

you put a post on a public website and all people do is put accross their personal opinion.
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Some people will just play devils advocate from time to time.

Yeah, well, there's "opinion" and "playing devil's advocate" and then there's comments like:

if hxc was to take a good hard look at himself he may see that somtimes ya just gotta tuck yer head in and get on with it instead of trying to be a smartarse and dont go running to mummy when it all turns to shit

and this one:

but if you are young and in a vulnerable situation (eg riding a bike and not very well built yourself) then it normally pays to just go on your way without being the 'big man' and looking disagreeingly at other road users because of their actions.

from a 19-year-old PFY whose sig and profile are full of "don't fuck with me" shit - both saying it was his fault for provoking the attacker as well as comments like:

Its not like both guys jumped out and gave him a good kicking.

that suggests being walloped by someone twice your mass is trivial and not worth being concerned about...

Really, who can be surprised that the cops didn't give a shit and the retard in the car thinks beating up someone who passed/beeped-at them is acceptable when there are those here who seem to to think that "road rage" is both perfectly acceptable and the recipient's fault.

I'm looking forward to the day when certain people here post that they were cut off and beaten up by someone and how much of a bitch it was that they got no redress.

[Squeak the Rat]

I wasn't there and don't know the full story either except as told by hXc & family. Nor have I read the whole thread but feel compelled to reply based on the last few comments.

Why should I disbelieve what I'm told? Mate, no one deserves to be assaulted because of road rage. IF there is more to it than that then your conscience will do its job of hassling you, I aint going to do that on the off chance.

Here's a little saying - "I refuse to sanction that negative affirmation" which is new-age hippy speak for "I hear what you say but its crap so i'm not going to let it negatively affect me".

Maybe what some people are saying is that some dickheads do react in violent ways to some things and it might be in your best interests to avoid antagonising these arsewipes. Better to be wrong than dead right.

Having said that it is interesting that time and cost go into prosecuting for dangerous driving someone based on a phone call from a granny. But revenge is dumb, it corrupts you. Leave it to Karma - they are scum and will lead scum lives.

I'm recovering from a head injumury and have had my first beer since, so not sure if this made sense so feel free to abuse.

StR

[jonbuoy]

You've taken my quote out of context - previous posts were talking about revenge - home made explosives and petrol bombs - you think thats a reasonable response to what happened?

I have been involved in road rage in the past - and everytime I have, I know I could have avoided it. Like I already said we weren't there at the time so I don't know if it could have been in this case - but you can't ask for peoples opinions (isn't that what posting on a site like this is about?) and then tell people to shut the fuck up because you don't agree with them.

[Fatjim]

amazing how some people are 'professional victims' at getting screwed over by authority - and others never have a real run in with authority in their lives??

Are you saying there's not arsehole coppers out there? Are you saying the system works for the innocent? I don't think so.

[Wolf]

You've taken my quote out of context - previous posts were talking about revenge - home made explosives and petrol bombs - you think thats a reasonable response to what happened?

If that is the case then I apologise, but I took your comment as minimising the assault - which I perceive the cops he dealt with have done enought of, lately.

Your comment, seen in that light, does beg the question as to whether you think that both of them kicking the crap out of him would justify fire bombs etc....

As I said in my initial post: I do not condone the idea of vigilantism/revenge, but nor do I condone the automatic assumption of some that hXc "asked for it" by "being a smartarse" and "trying to be the big man".

Shit, I've been abused for cock-headed things i've done on the road through being inattentive (as they were) - and I'm talking obscenities, obscene gestures, horns and personal insults, here - and my instinct was not to attempt to kill the person who had colourfully pointed out that I had fucked up big-time.

"Road Rage" is like "sexual molestation" - a concept dreamed up by the legal system to minimise what happened by avoiding the real terms like "assault with a lethal weapon" or "rape".