Juba on TV last night

**Sniper** · 14th November 2006, 19:32

Originally Posted by Kickaha

Once it is established he is dead he requires no further care

Maybe that a point of veiw Im unfamilier with. But I disagree. A dead soldier requires removal from the battlefeild, equipment stripped and distributed amongst the rest of the section and then the body secured for removal. It isnt WW1 or 2 where bodies are just left lying around left and right. An organised section will look after each other, alive or dead.

Originally Posted by Kickaha

Once it is established he is alive and wounded (depending on the severity) he then requires care before he is removed from the battlefield (if that is possible) which will tie up at least one person as a minimum, more if he is a stretcher case

You are right, but depending on the severity of an injury, a soldier may not need any other soldiers for care. If its severe then the soldier still needs to be removed from a dangerzone, secured to make sure of how severe the injury is. Depending of if he is able to carry on, the decision needs to be made as to what happens with the equipment he carries.

Originally Posted by Kickaha

A wonded man will always require more resources tied up in his care both on and off the battlefield than a dead one

You are wrong sorry Kickaha. A section contains 8 soldiers, so I find it hard to see how people arrive at the 12 people required to look after an injured soldier. Im the event of a soldier going down in battle, 4 men are required to asertain the extent of the injuries, secure and then move the soldier anmd then all 8 are brought together if the kit needs to be dispersed.

Im not saying Im an expert in the feild, and I know if you include the after battlecare then a dead soldier requires less care, but Im not arguing that fact. But I want to know how you arrive at your ideas on how injured and dead soldiers are handled in battle?

Originally Posted by Bren_chch

out of interest... what .cal were u using when this photo was taken?

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/at...9&d=1163483203

If I didnt respect you for the help you once gave me, I would say something along the lines of "Get fucked."

**Timber020** · 14th November 2006, 19:35

Originally Posted by Sniper

Im sorry, but bullshit. A shot that kills someone takes up the same amount of manpower as a wounded man. Its only in the movies that you see a nice clean shot in the head. In real life you have just seen a friend go down and all you want is to get him out of harms way, alive or dead and that till takes he power of you, a medic and if they are dead or seriously injured, 4 people to carry the stretcher.

Okay so the guy in a squad of 8 goes down. Depending on the environment 2 or 3 guys are going to attend to him while the others take defensive positions. If the guy is dead, then the others can join the rest in lookout for the sniper. If hes alive, he needs at least one guy looking after him, probably 2 who are then unable to help the rest. Isnt that right? Why wouldnt it require more members of the squad to look after an injured guy?

**Sniper** · 14th November 2006, 19:38

If you read my post above it might help you realise. Didnt mean to be so blunt in the earlier post, sorry.

**Joni** · 14th November 2006, 19:39

Originally Posted by Bren_chch

out of interest... what .cal were u using when this photo was taken?

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/at...9&d=1163483203

You must spread more rep before giving it to bren_chch blah blah blah...

**Sniper** · 14th November 2006, 19:43

Originally Posted by Joni

You must spread more rep before giving it to bren_chch blah blah blah...

You going to add anything constructive or are you just going to help take the piss about something you dont understand?

**scumdog** · 14th November 2006, 19:45

Mwuhahahahahaah!!

**doc** · 14th November 2006, 20:06

Armchair rhetoric who friggin cares, this is starting to get like Reality TV everyone analysing theoretical situations, out of the environment when you do it for real a completely different set of outcomes happen. 2 MINUTE NOODLES CAN BE THE HIGHLIGHT OF YOUR DAY after a hard day at the office in the 'J" and the fact you are able to eat them. Where's this Juba prick we can sort him out at one rallies surely not .

**Bren_chch** · 14th November 2006, 20:12

Originally Posted by Sniper

If I didnt respect you for the help you once gave me, I would say something along the lines of "Get fucked."

come on now Sniper, its too fucken funny to be like that!

**Sniper** · 14th November 2006, 20:15

Originally Posted by Bren_chch

come on now Sniper, its too fucken funny to be like that!

For others that enjoy taking the piss rather than know when to keep quiet or offer an opinion to the topic at hand. As for me, I dont see that as funny. I tried to help out a fellow KB'er and have since been ridiculed for it.

**scumdog** · 14th November 2006, 20:43

Originally Posted by Sniper

For others that enjoy taking the piss rather than know when to keep quiet or offer an opinion to the topic at hand. As for me, I dont see that as funny. I tried to help out a fellow KB'er and have since been ridiculed for it.

Hey, c'mon man, it goes with the territory, look at the shit I get both directly and indirectly.
Lighten up eh 'cos nobody will give a fxxx if you don't.

**onearmedbandit** · 14th November 2006, 20:46

But that's what the internet is about isn't it? Think of all the photoshopped photos circulating the 'net that we've all laughed at. Look at it this way, you're a true legend now, an internet legend!

**Sniper** · 14th November 2006, 20:57

Originally Posted by onearmedbandit

But that's what the internet is about isn't it? Think of all the photoshopped photos circulating the 'net that we've all laughed at. Look at it this way, you're a true legend now, an internet legend!

A kiwibiker legend you mean, unfortunatly I still dont see the funny side.

**doc** · 14th November 2006, 21:02

Originally Posted by scumdog

Hey, c'mon man, it goes with the territory, look at the shit I get both directly and indirectly.
Lighten up eh 'cos nobody will give a fxxx if you don't.

Yeah you ruining a good motorcycle related brotherhood of serious IT capable enthusiusts bullshiting about how fast they have been on their imaginary bikes, heck I've had to go and get a 6.5 hp lawnmower just to feel the power of a serious single engine. No FXR150 for me man, wait till Briggs and Stratton bring out a V Twin then I'll be the man

**Kickaha** · 14th November 2006, 21:05

Originally Posted by Sniper

. A dead soldier requires removal from the battlefeild,

That option wont always be available straight away

Originally Posted by Sniper

Im the event of a soldier going down in battle, 4 men are required to asertain the extent of the injuries, secure and then move the soldier anmd then all 8 are brought together if the kit needs to be dispersed.

and once the kit is dispersed does someone sit and hold the dead guys hand? no they wont but if he is wounded enough to require medical attention someone will have to look after him thus taking at least one person away from combat duties

Timber020 has already asked the most important question and your explanation really doesn't cover it

Originally Posted by Timber020

Why wouldnt it require more members of the squad to look after an injured guy?

I'm not interested in the aftercare part when he has been removed from the battlefield, I'm talking while combat is taking place and the option of removing them from the battlefield may not exisit