P/Methamphetamines

[SixPackBack]

Does Singapore have a problem with P (serious question)

Treating drug addicts as hardened criminals is perhaps the worst possible way to intervene, after all many of us have 'addictive' personalities. My current addiction is Motorcycles, thankfully a legal persuit.
Drug addiction is a sickness or want that in many cases precludes a criminal mind or intent.
Treatment is called for not jail time.

[El Dopa]

Absolute horse shit that it's as addictive as heroin.

If heroin was readily available in NZ and as cheap as some european countries then we'd see the effects of a REAL drug problem.

The media/government/cops have blown the P "epidemic" out of all proportion.

Fuck, half the kids I went to school with were into speed at the weekends and still lead normal lifes but the physical effects of heroin addiction are disturbingly visible.

Mate, 'P' isn't the same as the cheap sulph that was around when you and me were growing up in the UK.

I've got a reasonably liberal attitude towards recreational drug taking. I wouldn't touch this stuff. A mate at work still goes out occasionally and does the whole hardcore weekend thing. If I found out he was taking meth, he'd be getting a fucking good slap upside the head. Not that I think it would do any good.

[DMNTD:Me]

This is not a drug you can take recreationally, even heroin users have more control over their habit.

Who's told ya this shit? It's crap I assure you!
There are plenty of good people that smoke/snort the shit every weekend but lead an otherwise "normal" lifestyle. Their kids are well looked after,food on the table,bills paid etc.
Always seems easier to only look at the worst of the users/abusers and blanket everyone as mongrels/junkies. Naive statements from people with no experience I believe but that's the way of the sheep I guess.

One hit and you're fucked.

100% not true!! Someone be telling you porkies

[terbang]

Treatment is called for not jail time.

I think you'll find that Singapore and Jakarta offer a little more than jail time fo drug offences. Especialy the ones that courier and sell em..!

[doc]

Does Singapore have a problem with P (serious question)

They use to solve their problem publicly. Too many drunken Aussie's offering verbal support. Lee Quan yue didn't like them getting free entertainment. This is where all the PC bullshit started from.

[Hitcher]

Who's told ya this shit? It's crap I assure you!

It's statements like this that explain why nobody really cares what brain-dead losers do in their own homes. Smoke P. Beat their partners and their kids. Cut the ears off their dogs. If people need to get regularly wasted on dodgy drugs, something must be seriously wrong with their lives. Their behaviour should not be accepted or condoned.

[DMNTD:Me]

It's statements like this that explain why nobody really cares what brain-dead losers do in their own homes. Smoke P. Beat their partners and their kids. Cut the ears of their dogs. If people need to get regularly wasted on dodgy drugs, something must be seriously wrong with their lives. Their behaviour should not be accepted or condoned.

Well you're entitled to your opinion,as are they....as long as it doesn't affect others which believe it or not sometimes it doesn't.
Would you rather believe that the "facts" stated in some places were true,even if they weren't? That would be ignorant surely?
ALL I am trying to point out is that not every user should be classed the same...that is all!
I do not condone/use P btw... not at all.

[ManDownUnder]

I think you'll find that Singapore and Jakarta offer a little more than jail time fo drug offences. Especialy the ones that courier and sell em..!

Let's assume we want our loved ones back... free of P and to participate in our lives again...

Treatment is needed -and jail time for the bastards making and dealing in the shit... so what treatments?

As family or a friend, where do you go to find out more about it, signs of use, effective interventions to help your addited other, and how to look after yourself in the meantime?

[Paul in NZ]

Treating drug addicts as hardened criminals is perhaps the worst possible way to intervene, after all many of us have 'addictive' personalities. My current addiction is Motorcycles, thankfully a legal persuit.
Drug addiction is a sickness or want that in many cases precludes a criminal mind or intent.
Treatment is called for not jail time.

Thats the truth - one twist of the thottle and I was hooked....

Point is - you can get 'addicted' to anything including train spotting or gardening. We live in a very liberal society that allows us to induldge in alsorts of selfish antisocial activities as long as we behave reasonably and function in that society. These addictions are called passions.

However - some addictions are very very destructive.

Alcohol is a classic. The damage done is by this is horiffic and yet I drink every week. Thats OK.... I'm a recreational drinker because on monday morning I get my sorry arse out of bed and go to work and get on with the business that keeps society functioning.

Drugs like P, Heroin etc are very bad things for society. Even if the same number of people get hooked on the first hit is the same as people addicted to booze on the first drink - the damage is apparent to all and worst - there is a whole underground culture to supply this shit.

As a society we have got weak, weak on ourselves worst of all. We lowered the drinking age and we are soft on drugs / drug scene. Personally - I think we sould toughen the fuck up and treat the drug industry with the same hardness we have taken with the road toll for exactly the same reasons. If a few drug dealers shoot each other to death I don't care but it's the kids they are fathering, the families they are destroying, the crime that leaves kids scared and afraid - fuck em. I'll give up the booze if thats what it takes to build a better country so i can enjoy MY addiction - erm passion...

[Hitcher]

I do not condone/use P btw... not at all

But you're saying that it's OK for some people to use it. So that must mean that it's OK for people to manufacture it and sell it. Even to school kids. And that those people whose lives are totally fucked by using it should get over themselves. And people who go berserk with samurai swords under the influence and lop off arms and other body parts are just misunderstood. And that it's OK for people to break into other folks' homes and steal their goods to sell off to pay for their habit, because all that stuff's insured and the insurance companies will pay out. No harm done.

[DMNTD:Me]

But you're saying that it's OK for some people to use it. So that must mean that it's OK for people to manufacture it and sell it. Even to school kids. And that those people whose lives are totally fucked by using it should get over themselves. And people who go berserk with samurai swords under the influence and lop off arms and other body parts are just misunderstood. And that it's OK for people to break into other folks' homes and steal their goods to sell off to pay for their habit, because all that stuff's insured and the insurance companies will pay out. No harm done.

Don't be stupid...ofcourse it is not ok to do the serious crimes that P gets assocoiated with! Bloody hell mate. But if you read my post properly,or maybe if I wrote if properly,you would've seen that.
As stated before all I'm trying to point out is that not everyone that take P is someone like the mongrels you've stated in your post.
Not sure how you got what you did from it but sure...ok.

[Hitcher]

Don't be stupid...

So were you or were you not saying that it's OK for some people to use P?

Let's get that clear before we move on into a more reasoned discussion as to why so-called "normal" people would want to get off on this shit in the first place, with no quality assurance standards in place regarding its manufacture, and a HUGE weight of reputable medical evidence that will testify that: 1. They are already addicts, and: 2. That P will fuck their brains.

[SixPackBack]

But you're saying that it's OK for some people to use it.

Some people die from eating Peanuts!!.....should we ban them? no of course not. And while as much as I hate 'P' there will be plenty of individuals within N.Z who use it and lead normal lives.......what to do in these liberal times?

[Hitcher]

Some people die from eating Peanuts!!

People are more likely to die from choking on peanuts than from anaphylactic shock from eating them. Don't get me started on peanut allergies and soccer mums who want to ban peanut butter from school lunches. It's the fact that more New Zealanders are worried about peanut allegies or car accidents caused by drivers using cellphones than the P or domestic violence epidemics that shits me to tears.

Oh, and the "death toll" from New Zealanders last year due to anaphylactic shock? Four. That's one-in-a-million. The same actuarial risk as being struck by lightning.

[Edbear]

'P' there will be plenty of individuals within N.Z who use it and lead normal lives

Evidence? Or is this an assumption? I think those who deal directly at the "coal face", the cops, the Drs. and nurses, the Ambulance drivers, the judges, the rehab treatment centres, the Morticians, etc. would be well placed to comment..