Originally Posted by Big Dave
Blame the gubermunt, if 'P' was legal the cost would be minimal. If Ciggys where as expensive as "P' your helmet would have gone missing on the first KB ride.
Tobacco is a very addictive drug indeed.
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Forum whore
Blame the gubermunt, if 'P' was legal the cost would be minimal. If Ciggys where as expensive as "P' your helmet would have gone missing on the first KB ride.
Tobacco is a very addictive drug indeed.
Loud and Uncouth
Nice troll.
So why isn't the kid with the $200 Chinese slug-gun allowed an M-16 then??
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Forum whore
Not a troll at all. The present sytem fails us lets try some thing new.
The analogy between a slug gun and an M-16 is inaccurate when compared to Tobacco/Alcohol/P. Statistically Alcohol causes far more heartache than P and little compares to Tobaccos death rate, by comparison p is a minor problem. Take away the high purchase price and associated P problems diminish.
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Alcohol doesn't cost much and is readily available, it is less dangerous than P, and yet causes more damage. Do you think making P cheap and available would improve things?
Mad.
Loud and Uncouth
OK, reverse things, make 'P' the common, easily available cheap drug and alcohol the expensive 'undergound' drug.
How do you think things would stack up then?
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Scooter boy
Spent a year studying A & D and do you know what, most of the people who do rehab are ex-junkies. I learn't a lot about the social context of drug use and institutionalisation etc but hey, drugs, drug, drugs are bad news. Even the most level headed, educated, well mannered people fall for it. Why, i do not know nor understand.
Hardcore Biker
Hi Mr Peanut. Interesting thread and I wanna touch on a few things.
Hitcher said people must have something wrong in life to get wasted regularly. The thing with P is that its insidious and deceptive cos people don't feel wasted but rather clear headed actually. Therefore P addicts think they are doing fine - feel they are functioning well, tho others can see the evidence they deny (because they feel pretty good moodwise if not psychotic). Some did not have pre existing problems at all - recreational purely.
Know a few people on P who hold good jobs eg National radio etc. But they have become erratic with work (will lose job sometime), home lives crazy eg now domestic violence participants, and their brains are fairly fried (tho they cover well at work by being busy). They used to be normal but now constant dramas / mood swings and a conversation is like talking to a senile person.
Others I know who'd happily recreationally used Dak for years now have their lives in tatters - crime and ripping off mates / rellys to pay for it plus have become aggro types. An ex flatmate in this boat had not paid dealer so got home invaded 2 weeks ago - lost everything to gang "taxes" and she was smashed over.
Another guy I know went down the slippery P slope then robbed a supermarket (it was in his character). Inside a few years as of a couple mths ago. On the way down he went thru psychosis (tho no innate tendency) resulting in both violence and panic attacks (fearing others going to bury him in a rubbish pit). They are not rational - so they rarely if ever seek help. Ex users I've met who were BAD swear they never realised anything was wrong.
All people I know who used have ruined their health and lives and all said they were fine - not addicted etc (yawn). My mother was killed by a driver on P and methadone etc. Asleep at wheel he crossed centreline as had been up all night on P then took downers to settle in daytime. Sedation plus fatigue equals kill an innocent. As with all addicts he continues to deny intoxication had anything to do with the centreline crossing.
Someone said "most people in the know will tell you the evilist drug out there is methadone (liquid handcuffs)." It is correct methadone is the most fatal of abuse drugs. Fatal most often. Its long half life and way of interacting with other drugs means Drs often struggle to get doses right and people easily overdose. It is likely the most dangerous drug out there and kills addicts more often than if they just stayed on heroin (at 4 x the rate of street drug users in NZ).
I used to work in methadone clinic as a nurse and I call it the final solution. Govt fund it only to reduce crime (killing addicts tends to do that). Also some top MPs and MOH staff have shares in the manufacture. Addiction (usually to licits) is the backbone of the Western economy and if not promoted (why did Heilen close all treatment centres) all our lifestyles would take a plunge.
A new product on its way is the pharmaceuticaL cure for P addiction. The ozzies are testing it now. So the more the demand the better for the govt ultimately. Right now they are advertising on the fight against P website to try and get P addicts to try methadone treatment!
Have to touch on addictive personality as it mentioned heaps here. Addiction theory is now incorporatin greater awareness many addicts (the kind who try it once then are instant addicted) don't initially have addictive personality. Rather a physical predisposition due to ? genes, which have caused an odd brain chemistry (low in endorphins - natural happy / relax chemical) which drugs of addiction tend to correct making them feel normal "for first time in my life".
Its also acknowledged that if this state is not originally there in many addicts it becomes a fact as a result of addiction as the brain alters - sometimes permanentl. So the addict takes the drug not because of personality weaknesses but due to the desire to feel normal. The brains of some may renormalise after long abstinence (perhaps aided by 12 steps) - not always though.
I'm in close touch with someone running the fight against P website. She being Maori is convinced all these child homicides are P related. On that suspicion alone I think it should be no great sacrifice for these mythic recreational users who can "handle it" to give it up - as its only cos of the rare people who seem to handle it - or who glamorise it - that the majority who can't handle it - try to - and are in many cases after one try - addicted - and on a course to more likely hurt others than themselves. Kids?!?
PEANUT - I can't add much to the good advice. Except to say if this person accepts help its gonna take a lot. Good on u keeping his kids safe. There is no help available as this govt promotes addiction - the P profitors are suits at end of day! Smart money (judges / Drs etc) - goes into drugs. Its do it ya'self
A new forum with some good support people is here
www.amphetaminedetoxrecovery.com/
Help / advice re treatment options etc is available for thru ADANZ helpline. And for Maori thru Police liason officer. Al anon is a 12 step support group for affected family etc and its usually good.
Hardcore Biker
im sure this whole thread is a repost. went something like
>p is evil. my mum got hooked. she started so she can play pokies all week.
>yeh but some people can handle it
>no its EVIL for everyone
>so are ciggies and beer
>my bro/sis/friend/plumber/boss/neighbour is hooked on the shit an by golly s/he has fuked his life up
>fuck up you liberal fuker,
>fuk you nazi cunt
to quote the best garage band in remuera
"I smoked P and I'm alright
Got on the P stayed up all night
Smoked some weed and stayed inside
Paper said no don't but I wanna make up my own mind
I'm okay I'm alright
I'm allowed to stay up all night
Nanananananana nanananana I'm okay I'm alright
I smoked heaps and I'm okay
Still smokin' I been up all day
Then smoked some weed and didn't cough no no no
I smoked P and I didn't cut anybody's hands off
All I need is a light"
Forum whore
and that, ladies and gentleman, should be enough deterant for anyone to stay off the pee
Forum whore
Always good to hear from someone who is first-hand involved or qualified on a subject. Appreciate your post.
Just one thing to add - wasn't it brought out by the medical profession that using 'P' literally attacks the brain? That longer term users' brains had been literally, physically "eaten away" with big holes in them? Can't be sure if it was on a doco about it a while ago. ANyone remember or know the medical facts here?
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Deja Voodoo deserve an award for that song...
"I'm gonna get to the bottom of this, and I dont give a fuck if you're at the top!!!"
One, two free, floor!
I'll be sure to bronze my next dump. Glorifying P ain't a classy option in my world.
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For the record, it is NOT my mother that got hooked on P. I want to clear that up right now. She is looking after the kids of another family member and in the process of getting custody.
But, of course. All right lie with the biological parent...
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I think you're trying to be smart. I drink a beer every few days, if someone decides to make it ultra expensive, I just won't buy it. It's not highly addictive in the way P is.
One, two free, floor!
I just picked up an English paper and they're strongly considering changing Meth from a Class B to a Class A drug... probably in January coming up, before they start having a noticible level of labs and users popping up.
They're also considering clamping down on the sale of the constituent chemicals. They're looking at the experiences of the US, Australia and NZ...
It seems we're ahead of the world with Meth... quite the coup (not)
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