NZ Roads: Criminal Negligence?

[Paul in NZ]

Seriously Paul, I'm not knocking you but the AA are NOT an effective lobby group for bikers. The Dick in charge was on record saying that bikes should be legislated off the roads.

BRONZ is our lobby group but not enough bikers support them.
It's kind of sad but it's a part of the individualism that defines many bikers.

Trust me - I have zero regard for them myself but - we can learn from what they did, how they did it...

[XP@]

How about a sign on entry to NZ

"Warning: when driving expect the unexpected"

It would do as a sort of coverall statement which absolves the powers that be of any responsibility.

As a rider you should be aware that a change in road surface could be hazardous to your health. Also you may find other hazards on your way, these may be static or transient, which ever they hurt. In the overall scheme of things roadwork gravel (on corners) is only one of a massive list of potentials.

Our responsibility is to learn to look properly and use everything at our disposal to keep ourselves on two wheels. Learn to look for hazzards, if you can't see round the corner then assume there is a bus parked next to a possum that was killed when it slipped on gravel.

http://www.mikewaite.co.uk/factsheet...d-dead-ground/

[PLUG]

tar bleed, in my book is worse than general debries ... they go around putting up slippery when wet signs ... phff ... the co-efficent of friction differance is massive ... this road condition contributes to alot of offs/prangs/deaths ... & what do they do about it ... pea gravel in the summer ... yeeeharr ...

[dnos]

This is a very good observation.
I have seen plenty of times a completed resealing, with all signs/markers removed and bloody gravel everywhere. It seems in some instances there is no effort to clean it up.
Not only can it be bloody dodgy to drive/ride on, but traffic flicks stones all over the place damaging other vehicles. Have you ever gone past a truck and trailer unit and been showered in gravel? It fucking sucks.
I might start noting these sites and let it be known to transit or the local council but i doubt very much they will give a shit.
Perhaps tagging the road isn't such a bad idea.

[sunhuntin]

How about a sign on entry to NZ

"Warning: when driving expect the unexpected"

It would do as a sort of coverall statement which absolves the powers that be of any responsibility.

As a rider you should be aware that a change in road surface could be hazardous to your health. Also you may find other hazards on your way, these may be static or transient, which ever they hurt. In the overall scheme of things roadwork gravel (on corners) is only one of a massive list of potentials.

Our responsibility is to learn to look properly and use everything at our disposal to keep ourselves on two wheels. Learn to look for hazzards, if you can't see round the corner then assume there is a bus parked next to a possum that was killed when it slipped on gravel.

http://www.mikewaite.co.uk/factsheet...d-dead-ground/

be that as it may, it is still up to the people who do it to look after the general well being of the public. building sites are very well protected with fences and things to keep joe public safe...i dont see why the same doesnt apply to roads. after all more people use the roads than they would a building site.
they resealed outside my place a while back....i very nearly came off twice at slow speed just getting in and out of the driveway. even today theres loose stones, and holes where the new seal has rolled up on itself after hard acceleration by cars.

it is true, we never know whats around the bend, but the road workers could make things a little safer simply by using common sense.

[Motu]

I've got no problems with New Zealand roads - I think they are fantastic,we are really lucky to have such incredible surroundings to ride in.I am seldom caught out,and if I am I consider it as part of my riding challenge - gravel? I get over it ,literally.

[Ghost Lemur]

pfft

Or you could just ride to conditions ensuring that you keep enough in reserves to deal with any eventuality?

Personally I'm finding I like "shitty" roads. Can't imagine why?

[scumdog]

[["Surplus chips shall be removed from the sealed surface prior to the removal of the temporary speed restriction signs". Refer Transit Spec TNZ P/4:1995]]

hilarious!
how many times have you come around a bend and suddenly hit gravel with no warning signs?
I've lost count and THAT is the point

So after six months the roads are going to be littered with crudely worded signs everywhere and we won't know which ones are current?

Or are you going to remove the paint each time the grit/loose gravel etc has been cleaned up??????

[idleidolidyll]

So after six months the roads are going to be littered with crudely worded signs everywhere and we won't know which ones are current?

Or are you going to remove the paint each time the grit/loose gravel etc has been cleaned up??????

beats sitting on your arse or watching your mates fall off around the next blind corner.

hmmm, flouro paint on the road or dead motorcyclists? tough choice eh

seriously, i doubt it'd take much for Transit or the Govt to get the point particularly if it was followed up with letters to the local MP, TV3 or Helenback

[idleidolidyll]

pfft

Or you could just ride to conditions ensuring that you keep enough in reserves to deal with any eventuality?

now THAT qualifies you for Ulysses or BMW membership

[Ixion]

Well, he ain't the one complaining that the roads are too difficult to ride on.

[idleidolidyll]

LOL sharks...its snakes mate. Comes from the old MOT days.

ahh, you're right, my bad

twas a week ago he mentioned it and it seems the old animosity is still there

traffic cops make me disrespect the whole force that's for sure

[idleidolidyll]

Well, he ain't the one complaining that the roads are too difficult to ride on.

difficult?

nah, dangerous is the word I'd use. Difficult is something road bikes experience trying to catch supermotos

[The_Dover]

You mean I could get the sickness benefit? My haemorrhoids are really playing up today..

[The_Dover]

screw that, I want my sickness benefit. I'm fukin sick, no doubt about it.