Gunshop employee charged

[duncan_bayne]

So, just be very good at getting access then.

... and then get arrested and charged like Greg Carvell :-(

The law regarding access to weapons needs to be improved (read: liberalised), and the Govt. needs to stop bringing prosecutions against those who defend themselves with weapons.

[Swoop]

... and then get arrested and charged like Greg Carvell :-(

The law regarding access to weapons needs to be improved (read: liberalised), and the Govt. needs to stop bringing prosecutions against those who defend themselves with weapons.

You are correct on the "access needs to be liberalised" issue, however, the Carvell charge is a seperate issue in itself. Once the issue comes before the court, clarifications may be made.

[jrandom]

Some research results from data surrounding the Australian firearms buyback and illegalisation of semiautos.

[scumdog]

Some research results from data surrounding the Australian firearms buyback and illegalisation of semiautos.

I am well aware of that political rort, I wonder how many criminals are now without firearms as a result of that crap????

The paradox of having the 'safest' community is that it also is the community with the least personal freedoms (Singapore?).

That is one of the main reasons I have never really been struck with the idea of moving to Aussie - I'd have to sell about 75% of my firearms and as for my modified vehicles? - forget about it!

[geoffm]

Some research results from data surrounding the Australian firearms buyback and illegalisation of semiautos.

It was not a "buy back", it was confiscation, since the owners had no choice, and the government never owned the guns in the first place, so coulnd't buy them back.
The numebr of guns confiscated was less than the number of SKS and Ruger 22 rifles imported into Oz, yet these only formed a small part of those taken. Hardly successful when it increases thenumber of illegal guns. Unsurprisingly, most owners went out and bought new guns with the money, so it hardly decreased the pool of guns in the community. And no, the fact they were evil, baby killing semi autos confiscated did not improve safety, since it doesn't matter how fast you miss... As another example, in the first battle of the Marne in 1914, the attacking Germans were convinced they were facing machine guns, when it was the BEF with the SMLE Lee Enfield rifle.
Geoff

[jrandom]

The paradox of having the 'safest' community is that it also is the community with the least personal freedoms (Singapore?).

You know what's funny? You talk to the average Singaporean guy about firearms, and his eyes just light up. Compulsory military service, the ever-present worry of Malaysian invasion and the remaining memories of being swarmed over by Japanese make them very weapons-conscious. Small arms and heavy weapons trivia is a good way to get a conversation going in a Singaporean pub, in my experience.

The guys there absolutely drool at the idea of being able to personally own guns and go hunting, etc. Poor bastards.

It was not a "buy back", it was confiscation... Hardly successful when it increases thenumber of illegal guns... hardly decreased the pool of guns in the community... evil, baby killing semi autos

Shrug. I'm just the messenger. That was a study reported in a medical journal, not political propaganda.

Read Agents of Mayhem by Bill O'Brien. He gives details of Martin Bryant's actions at Port Arthur. If he'd had to make do with an Enfield instead of having an AR-15 and a FAL, the body count could well have been lower.

in the first battle of the Marne in 1914, the attacking Germans were convinced they were facing machine guns, when it was the BEF with the SMLE Lee Enfield rifle.

"The current world record for aimed bolt action fire was set in 1914 by a musketry instructor in the British Army - one Sgt. Snoxall - who placed 38 rounds into a 12" target at 300 yards in one minute."

So let's say the average rifleman could manage 15 aimed shots in a minute with a SMLE. A Vickers MG had a ~600rpm rate of fire, meaning that it would take 40 troopers with SMLEs concentrating their fire on a target to achieve the same effect.

I suspect that the old "Germans convinced they were facing MGs" chestnut has been exaggerated a little over time.

[Ixion]

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"The current world record for aimed bolt action fire was set in 1914 by a musketry instructor in the British Army - one Sgt. Snoxall - who placed 38 rounds into a 12" target at 300 yards in one minute."

So let's say the average rifleman could manage 15 aimed shots in a minute with a SMLE. A Vickers MG had a ~600rpm rate of fire, meaning that it would take 40 troopers with SMLEs concentrating their fire on a target to achieve the same effect.

I suspect that the old "Germans convinced they were facing MGs" chestnut has been exaggerated a little over time.

Difference is "aimed". Vickers could lay down more metal, but I don't think they normally aimed them much, just pointed in the general direction and laid down a curtain of metal, sweeping back and forth .

So to an individual soldier aimed rifle fire at 15 rpm (maybe more if two or three shooters aimed at the same target) could appear pretty similar to a machine gun which would sweep across them for a moment and then be gone.

But, I wasn't there at the time, so i'm just guessing.

[Swoop]

"The current world record for aimed bolt action fire was set in 1914 by a musketry instructor in the British Army - one Sgt. Snoxall - who placed 38 rounds into a 12" target at 300 yards in one minute."

Impressive by any standard.
60 seconds.
38 shots.
+ reloads.

[sAsLEX]

Impressive by any standard.
60 seconds.
38 shots.
+ reloads.

reloads? A big magazine would of worked

[scumdog]

"The current world record for aimed bolt action fire was set in 1914 by a musketry instructor in the British Army - one Sgt. Snoxall - who placed 38 rounds into a 12" target at 300 yards in one minute."

I'm IMPRESSED!
Shee-it, I'm a 'lefty' and about 15 aimed shots in a minute with a three-oh is my limit.

[scumdog]

reloads? A big magazine would of worked

Ya know of a 40 shot mag for a three-oh?

I'd say they would have had four full mags - but if they just used clips (chargers is the proper term) I'd be REALLY impressed!

[sAsLEX]

Ya know of a 40 shot mag for a three-oh?

I'd say they would have had four full mags - but if they just used clips (chargers is the proper term) I'd be REALLY impressed!

Not rocket science to make one, you only need a spring and some metal, seen a 50 clip on a semi 22 so no need to reload spotlighting

[Dai]

Not rocket science to make one, you only need a spring and some metal, seen a 50 clip on a semi 22 so no need to reload spotlighting

E cat of course

[jrandom]

about 15 aimed shots in a minute with a three-oh is my limit.

Likewise. That's why I postulated the same ROF for the average WWI rifleman.

I imagine the above world record would have been set with a Mk II SMLE. The Enfield's detachable 10rd mag certainly contributed to its ROF advantage over the K98.

I intend to get a Mk IV SMLE at some point to go with my Kar98K and Mosin Nagant, but I really badly want an '03 Springfield. There was a bewdyful one on TardMe last week, but I didn't have enough brownie points (or cash) to spend a four-figure sum on yet another smelly [sic] old bolt-action.



At least when I start dropping major bucks on pistols I'll have justifiably sexy movie-gun toys to wave at Her when She sees the bank statements...

[jrandom]

E cat of course

I do so love the legal loophole that makes magazines, on their own, purchasable by anyone, licensed or not. Regardless of capacity.

The dodgy person, with or without an 'E' endorsement on their licence, desiring to own a large-capacity assault rifle without having its serial number registered by the Police, may well feel moved to praise the Lord for all those L1A1 owners who've tacked a metal strip from the bottom of the pistol grip to the back of the stock, unscrewed the flash suppressor, and are selling them with a 7-round magazine.

Often listed on TradeMe immediately above the "20 round L1A1 magazine, buy now $30" listings that don't require proof of FAL.

Of course, I couldn't possibly comment on that subject.