Road policing activities

[Grahameeboy]

Sorry, I wrote: "The point is some laws are Policed and some aren't. Is that because some laws are fucking stupid?"

I should have written: Some laws are fucking stupid.

Okay.......................................so I guess it is a hard road for the Police when they have to enforce Laws that they don't agree with......but that is just like employee's in other jobs.

How many threads have been started about late ambulances, long waits in A&E......?? None I suspect cause it is easier to attack the Police than it is paramedics and nurses but I bet you they have the comparable dilemma's??

[Squeak the Rat]

A cop who follows the letter of the Law is doing the job he is told to do. Now I am not saying that I disagree with your sentiment, however, we cannot criticise a Cop for doing something you do not like or agree with.

That's just asking for a comparison with the Nazi's working at Auchwitz.......

[Grahameeboy]

That's just asking for a comparison with the Nazi's working at Auchwitz.......

Mmmm...no slightly different cause a lot of the Nazi's feared for their own lives if they didn't follow instructions plus it was a not about 'Law'.......please keep on subject you dirty rat......

[Squeak the Rat]

Mmmm...no slightly different cause a lot of the Nazi's feared for their own lives if they didn't follow instructions plus it was a not about 'Law'.......please keep on subject you dirty rat......

A lot of the cops fear for their jobs if they don't follow instructions, which these days is a pretty big fear for most people.

And what is the subject anyway, I thought it was a new years cop bashing thread

[Grahameeboy]

A lot of the cops fear for their jobs if they don't follow instructions, which these days is a pretty big fear for most people.

And what is the subject anyway, I thought it was a new years cop bashing thread

So proves my earlier point. Cops are just like the rest of us.....Job = Money = Lifetsyle (well trying to have one).

You innocent....pfttttt.......guess the season's spirit did not last long eh.......

[Grahameeboy]

[QUOTE=Dynamytus50;883088][QUOTE=denill;882991]Of course not and that is just an attempt to defend the indefensible.

Huh? how what the fuck are you on about. What am i defending? I was asking a question

No you know asking a question is gonna be in the hard basket Dyna........

[Toaster]

So proves my earlier point. Cops are just like the rest of us.....Job = Money = Lifetsyle (well trying to have one).

You innocent....pfttttt.......guess the season's spirit did not last long eh.......

I left the job to get a lifestyle back.... (and a better salary with less hours)what does that tell ya?!

[denill]

[QUOTE=Dynamytus50;883088][QUOTE=denill;882991]Of course not and that is just an attempt to defend the indefensible.

Huh? how what the fuck are you on about. What am i defending? I was asking a question

You wrote: "Do you think the tolerance should be rasied on the open road to 20k? or that some areas should have an increase in the limit?"

So you were not attempting to justify pedantic (and profitable) policing???

The way I read it - you were.

[Grahameeboy]

OI! Ambulances are only "late" cause the dispatcher has the vehicles in the wrong place at the wrong time (I mean we all know where the next emergency will be). But also cause no bastard gets out of the way anymore for lights and sirens.. why is this so? I remember as a kid that everybody pulled over and stopped for ambo's etc, but now..No. The guy in front wants to take advantage of the cars ahead pulling over, so he can get ahead some more.
Or the person who does actually see us in his mirror (surprise surprise, they used a mirror!) but will wait untill we are on top of him before moving... so in the mean time I have backed right off anticipating them to be Asian and will no doubt stop in the middle of the lane or worse, pull to the right.
But G boy, you live on Devo which is hard to get to quickly at the best of times, let alone when Lake road is busy at peak time.

I was not complaining about you guys but was just using this as a point in my argument......

Asian drivers still better than Kiwi drivers........Kiwi drivers cannot drive in their own bloody backyard.....at least Asian drivers have an excuse.......well except JSG......did I just say that?? Just kidding JSG.....

Traffic, Lake Road...sorry does not compute...............you could always stop at Birkenhead and get Ferry to Devonport via Town and it is free (cause you only have to show ticket at Town gates and you would stay in terminal) so you would save tax payers money......mmm but maybe not lifes......

[Grahameeboy]

I left the job to get a lifestyle back.... (and a better salary with less hours)what does that tell ya?!

I was being generic.............tells me you did not have balance in life which I understand.

[TLDV8]

A lot of the cops fear for their jobs if they don't follow instructions, which these days is a pretty big fear for most people.

And what is the subject anyway, I thought it was a new years cop bashing thread

I think it has to be mentioned.
One major difference these days compared to yester year is you do not know who are Police and who are MOT.
It was a lot easier in the days of Black and Whites (MoT/Snakes) and Greys (Police)
Where do you think all the MoT went when the forces were combined ?
Do you think a lot of MoT did not want to be Police on general duties? given that is not why they joined originally.
Ask any long term Police officer what they think of MoT members
You may be surprised how many MoT are at the top of the chain not to mention district old boys clubs.It is way over due for heads to roll and only the public can get that done.With the general apathy that will never happen.

It may be a little different for me given my family has a total of 43 years service......What that means is when i got pinged as above and got the ticket,i then looked at the officer ID number and thought I number,around 8 years service and on Traffic.
The smart arse smerk when he got out of the car was no surprise.

It must really suck to be a Police officer getting tarred with the same (public) brush.

There is no comparison between front line Police and some Maggot HP..imho

[Grahameeboy]

I was just wondering but isn't this thread a re-post...............

[denill]

There is no comparison between front line Police and some Maggot HP..imho

Gotta be with you there TLDV8!
Although that probably excludes SD from the Maggots.

[Ixion]

A cop knows the Law and you cannot criticise him / her (being PC) for following the Law. That is why they spend money to send them to Police Training.

A cop who follows the letter of the Law is doing the job he is told to do. Now I am not saying that I disagree with your sentiment, however, we cannot criticise a Cop for doing something you do not like or agree with.

Yes I can. And no he isn't. A police officer is required as part of his job to exhibit good judgement. This is what distinguishes him (I ain't PC) from a parking warden. And if someone is telling cops to mindlessly follow the letter of the law, then Parliament needs to get involved.

[Ixion]

How many threads have been started about late ambulances, long waits in A&E......?

Maybe because ambos ain't often late? When a car smashed into the power pole outside I called police (cos he woz drunk and belligerant), ambo (cos people were hurt) and fire (cos the power lines were down and petrol was pissing out).

And timed their response (all called out at the same time). I heard the ambo siren at 1 min 30 sec. He was on site and deployed in less than 4 minutes. Fire, I heard the siren at 3 and a bit minutes , deployed in 7. Police turned up (no sirens) after about 40 minutes when everybody (including the driver!) had gone. Note that police and ambo stations are right next door to each other. Fire is about the same, maybe a fraction closer.

And your example of A&E actually breaks your case. The reason that there may be long waits is precisely because the A&E staff are doing what we expect to police to do - using their judgement. They take seriously ill/injured people ahead of minor injuries. There would be a major scandal if it were found that A&E were "following the letter of the law" by rigidly and mindlessly enforcing a "first come first seen" policy ,m so that someone died waiting, while a sprained finger was being seen to ahead of the critically injured person. That is what the public expect the police to do also: use judgement - "this is bad - that is not". Most cops do so - as we see from their responses here. Some do not. That pisses people off.