well shut my mouthOriginally Posted by Jim2
Kiwi back at home!
well shut my mouth
Immature and proud of it.
We were discussing Steven Wallace, not Burton. I'm all in favour of them shooting Burton.
Speed doesn't kill people.
Stupidity kills people.
Immature and proud of it.
We didn't have 'P' in my day. But I'm fairly short and had to take down a fuckin' huge Samoan once.
Thank God for Maglites.
Speed doesn't kill people.
Stupidity kills people.
Just faidin away!
No, the only information I have is what has been reported in one media or another.
I did say that it "seems" they get it wrong more often than they get it right!
I tried to find out some real info but wasn't doing too good until Terbang posted the parole board Webb site, still couldn't get much off there but will have another look later.
Your counter comment would have more relativity if I had claimed it as a "fact"!
Do you have any statistical information on the success or failure of the parole board actions or decisions? cheers John.
Hardcore Biker
Checked oldriders link. Here is one defining who the parole boards gits are - and its mostly those wiggy blonde bimbos - flakey judiciary;
http://www.lawyermeup.co.nz/afa.asp?...ctdetails.html
Statistics on Oldriders page show round 3000 on home detention, round 3000 on parole - which is half the current prison population odd. An equal number was declined during that year (could be same people that made it on later applications though).
The Government is looking at a big loosening up with more restorative Justice per a recent conference. Despite the pioneer ogf RJ being a convicted sex offender. It also seems to be trying to kill off the sensible sentencing Trust's lonely voice of sanity eg with new charities law. Media has been ridiculing McVicar lately. NZers imo need to start jumping up and down on this eg donate to sensible sentencing who work like slaves on limited resources - or its more of the same. Powers that be prolly live in gated communities or leave once feathered nests. They don't care about our safety, the violence here is giving us a really bad name overseas & I reckon it could kill our economy.
As a psyc nurse I've had to work alone in community housing with particularly one released very dangerous random murderer - wrongly assessed as safe. He hangs out unsupervised in a park popular with kids in NW Christchurch. I am afraid at times and feel sorry for the community. Many situations exist like this.
Deus ex ukulele
The Government has to look at other options, as building more prisons is both expensive and ineffective. New Zealand has one of the highest rates of incarceration in the world, often for comparatively trivial offences -- such as minor crimes against property. Parole can be an effective form of rehabilitation, and recidivist nongs like Mr Burton should not be used as an excuse to condemn the whole parole "system".
"Standing on your mother's corpse you told me that you'd wait forever." [Bryan Adams: Summer of 69]
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Absolutely NO chance of anything like that happening here... the terrorists would never be granted a resource consent!
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Whip it, whip it good!
One word the annoys me from time to time is "allegedly"
The suspect "allegedly" punched the victim in the head.......camera shot shows poor "victim" bleeding profusely from his nose......hmmmmm i guess someone else could have punched him
Deus ex ukulele
One thing that annoys me from time to time is people leaping to conclusions. Unless you saw it happen, of course it must be "allegedly", until proven. The guy could have fallen over or smacked himself in the head.
"Standing on your mother's corpse you told me that you'd wait forever." [Bryan Adams: Summer of 69]
Hardcore Biker
problem is abuse of prison facilities. Judges are concerned about capitalism so imprison tghieves but not the violent imo. Examples - a friends EX bashes her unconscious in front of their toddlers. He gets 50 hrs community service. He steals a car and gets 6 mths jail. She is now a prison worker!
Example 2 - a bankrobber I know is paroled, he bashes someone outside nightclub in chancery lane with a baseball bat for no good reason - charged with male asaults female. Not recalled! He does several more worrrying things suggesting he may be dangerous - not recalled. As I hear the saga with many such episodes unfold for over a year (from mutual acquaintance)my eyebrows raise higher and higher. This guy just did the pak and save ARMED robbery in CHCH - ?100 g odd not recovered. NOW he is inside - but actually not for too long because the squeeze is on now more than eve in his 20 yr crime career. Sorry L if you're reading this - but just making a point OK.
Forum whore
how about they put him in a cell with the parole officer who let him out?
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Forum whore
Why not? Proof of the pudding etc.
And if prisons are expensive? Bullets are cheap. Ropes even cheaper, cos you can reuse it. And please define "minor property crimes". Like burglary maybe? I know of old ladies , not a mile from here who have been burgled. Yeah yeah, property crime, no crime at all, nothing of value taken.
No, just the memories of a lifetime, peace of mind, the sense of place of being safe in homes they'd lived in for a lifetime. Two of them, don't sleep now at night, they stay awake, terrifed of every noise. At an age when they should be entitled to security and safety they have none. Minor property crime ? Too right. Give me a gun and the bastards who perpetrate "minor property crime" and the incarceration rate will be solved. Minor property criminal, meet Mr Minor Bullet. I'd not have a moments hesitation. I loath those bastards with all my being.
As for parole boards, I have never heard any good argument about why we have parole at all. Can *anyone* give a good reason why X years inside should not mean X years inside. Unless the criminal causes trouble inside, in which case its X + Y + Z years inside. and repeat until he dies of old age.
Deus ex ukulele
You're starting to sound like that seething redneck spokesperson from the "Sensible Sentencing Trust". I have little respect for people like Mr McVicar who have nothing constructive to add to the debate apart from tired rhetoric like "hanging's too good for them" or "lock them up and throw away the key". If only life was so black and white.
"Standing on your mother's corpse you told me that you'd wait forever." [Bryan Adams: Summer of 69]
Hardcore Biker
I believe he simply takes an extreme stance in order to achieve moderate goals. Politics - people don't always mean what they say - it's goal oriented and necessarily manipulative isn't it? McVics statements don't define him, they're just words! I reckon he has respect for crims - simply wants a world with some standards. And he does have constructive ideas - why else would he bother doing study tours of other countries which have working systems that reduce recidivism.
Maybe Hitcher you are lucky enough to have never met evil or sociopathic people. They exist - we are not all the same. If you had it might change your view. And for some of them the happiest place they know is inside - it therefore works for all parties!
Too old to die
So we just assume he is simply a crap-spouting political animal and ignore him?
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