Another rant on licensing.....!

[FilthyLuka]

. You can't get a pilots licence in a Piper Cub and jump straight behind the controls of a Boeing 747.

thats like comparing a smart car to a australian (sp) road train... then multiplying the complexity by a factor of lots

wait just one cotton pickin minute... dont we already HAVE different licence classes for different types of vehicles... whilst a cesna and a 747 are technically both planes, a tank and a fiat bambina are technically both automobiles (arent they) and we have different licences for cars, trucks, bikes, bigger trucks, even bigger trucks, big f#ck off truck ect ect

[Ixion]

as for the restricted... you know, some of us are poor students that might not be able to afford to get full licence straight away. if i had a mint rs250, i might very well never want to upgrade... i know my mother is lookin at a gsx250 and shes probably gonna stick with it untill it dies... are you saying she needs to go and get a full licence straight away? if you stay on restricted, the maximum breath alchohol level is 150, so look at it this way. If your on your restricted, ONE BEER will throw most people over the limit, less drunk driving... you can argue either for or against but in this case, taking away a persons licence because he/she doesnt sit his full is just... well... stupid

denden

Not so, There is no connection between licence class and allowable alcohol limit. The limit is under or over 20 years old. A 22 year old on a learners is allowed the full adult limit of 400 squiggledoodles, a 19 year old on a full licence can only have 150.

[FilthyLuka]

Personally I reckon learner drivers should have to sit the test in a car with no front wheel brakes, manual non-synchromesh gearbox, no power anything, and no electric starter. Worked for me, why should they have it easy.

errm... thats kinda off seeing as you were alive when jesus was a lad (hehe, joking)

technology man... its the mans way of saying "man, the world is like, going forward man... man humanity is gonna be SO technologically advanced man..."

(yay... 6 mans...)

denden

[FilthyLuka]

Not so, There is no connection between licence class and allowable alcohol limit. The limit is under or over 20 years old. A 22 year old on a learners is allowed the full adult limit of 400 squiggledoodles, a 19 year old on a full licence can only have 150.

really? yeesh, i must be livin under a rock...
explains this back ache

denden

[Ixion]

True, I was jesting.

But there is an element of rationale in there.

When I learned to drive driving was HARD WORK. Nothing was easy.

Now, some people we know have a natural talent for things like driving and vehicle control. Others are the reverse. They have no apptitude at all.

In years gone, the actual process of driving was difficult enough that the apptitude-less , if they tried at all, quickly gave up. And I knew quite a few cases of people who took a few lessons and gave up, declaring that it was "just too hard'. While those who made the effort to acquire the skills to actually control the car, tended to take some pride in the fact, driving was considered an accomplishment.

Nowdays, any fool can drive a car. Sit and wiggle , an eight year could do it , quite seriously.

But while the need for skill in controlling a car has been removed, the need for roadcraft skills is greater than ever. And the muppets , finding that "making the car go" is so easy, see no need to acquire anything beyond that.

So we have people in control of a car at 100kph who have no apptitude at all for such matters, no interest is being a competant driver, and should not really be trusted with anything more lethal than a supermarket trolley.

[FilthyLuka]

So we have people in control of a car at 100kph who have no apptitude at all for such matters, no interest is being a competant driver, and should not really be trusted with anything more lethal than a supermarket trolley.

exactly, so therefore (in reference to the first post) refusing automatic cars to those that arent motorvehicle impared is unfair and making life harder. The problem is the person, not the car... sometimes the problem is the car... like when the brakes dont work. but thats not what im getting at.

[Squeak the Rat]

Good call Ixion.

Any muppet can drive a car at open road speeds. It seems though that less and less drivers have any skills to identify or respond to an emergency situation.

And thinking about the comment earlier that people learning on ABS should not be able to drive non-ABS cars, how many drivers are actually aware of what's happening when they jump on the brakes really hard? If we got to the stage where there is awareness and skill at emergency braking then the distinction should be made.

I needed to demonstrate competency of emergency braking on my bike test. Why don't car drivers need to do the same?

[davereid]

Same reason you get to wear a helmet, even though the most likely place to get a head injury is a car. Same reason why you get restricted to a 250cc motorcycle, yet a car learner can drive a V8. Same reason that a "no fault" ACC system charges you more for your ACC.

[Jantar]

Personally I reckon learner drivers should have to sit the test in a car with no front wheel brakes, manual non-synchromesh gearbox, no power anything, and no electric starter. Worked for me, why should they have it easy.

And an Eton diff?