Ahmed Zaoui: Residency or deportation?

[Guitana]

Nicky Hagar is a traitor to his country who should be tried for sedition and hung by the neck until dead.

I would gladly piss on his grave, hes a fucking disgrace.

Don't be too hard on NICK he's just trying to earn the respect of his fellow Kiwis by exposing the corrupt dealings of the GOVT and big buisness.
It was hard for Nick growing up as a fumbling spotty teenager who only discovered masturbation at the age of 21!
The bullying was relentless and none of the local girls would kiss him when they played spin the bottle!
It's hard being a geek and even harder to be taken serious when you look like one !!!!

[MisterD]

The memoirs of Winnie the demogogue?!?
Fuckin hilarious! Winnie was a terrorist and a grorss abuser. If he'd been around in modern times he'd have rated as worse than Maggie the bitch!

BTW: You define ridiculous. First you reject, without reading, the latest evidence of National and other parties abuses and lies, then you ask me to prove that National lies!

Good grief man, stop the sanctimonious claptrap about how 'informed' you are, you as informed as the old saying goes:
"There are none so blind as they who will not see"

1) You'd prefer to be speaking German or Japanese then?

2) I'm not asking for proof, merely an allegation of where National could be seen to be deviating from the policies everyone would expect of them anyway. That's the contention isn't it? That they're hiding something?

[Sniper]

Wheres the 7.62 option?

[idleidolidyll]

Nicky Hagar is a traitor to his country who should be tried for sedition and hung by the neck until dead.

I would gladly piss on his grave, hes a fucking disgrace.

please elucidate: i need a good laugh.

BTW: have you read any of his books?

[The_Dover]

Nicky Hagar is a traitor to his country who should be tried for sedition and hung by the neck until dead.

I would gladly piss on his grave, hes a fucking disgrace.

the same goes for Sammy Hagar.

[idleidolidyll]

1) You'd prefer to be speaking German or Japanese then?

2) I'm not asking for proof, merely an allegation of where National could be seen to be deviating from the policies everyone would expect of them anyway. That's the contention isn't it? That they're hiding something?

Speaking German or Japanese? Good grief mate, that's just SO old and worn out. Please, get some new and better material.

Of course they are hiding something. If they were not hiding something why didn't they come clean about the Bretheren?
As for what they are hiding specifically; who knows at any one time? Certainly not people who refuse to ask questions.

As I've said, any accusation I would make against the Nats you'd deny and demand proof. Given that you have pre-denied the latest proof of Nationals lies and its hidden agenda and secret obligations to donors, there's just no point debating with you.

As for your earlier comment that the Nats 'talked' to the Bretheren; ROTFLMFAO! They did more than talk, they organised a national campaign to elect the Nats using massive donations. Those donations don't come free of charge. Just as with the fascist Yank govt, they come with strings attached and demands for policy that the donors require to be passed.

National lied directly about their involvement with the Bretheren and they continue to lie and cover up to this day. In fact the Bretheren met with Don, John and Stephen Joyce on many occassions. They planned the strategy and National OK'd the Bretheren campaign.
You'd know this if you read Hagar's book and given that Brash has still not taken him to court for anything, it's likely that there is nothing in the book that is wrong.

Accepting unquestioningly whatever you're told is the road to a dictatorship or to a fascist controlled govt. The mainstream media is often worthless given that they too are large corporates and as with the USA, unlikely to attack the very advertisers who pay all their bills.

So where could they deviate from policies? Well you'll never know if you refuse to ask the question and to investigate more or accept proof when offered. Just what policies do you think the Business Round Table and Bretheren want National to push through? The last time they had power they created some of the worst employment legislation ever and handed almost dictatorial control to employers.
I suspect our No Nukes policy was on the line this time as well as accepting bullshit yank copyright (recently increased unilaterally to 100 years), bullshit military intervention, easier access to foreigners to buy out NZ and perhaps even yank warship visits regardless of their weaponry.

Goodbye, I'm over you

[Lias]

please elucidate: i need a good laugh.

BTW: have you read any of his books?

I've partially read "Secret Power", I couldnt finish reading it because his politics and views make me physically ill.

I believe his "exposure" of SIS/GCHB intelligence activities is an act of legal high treason against our nation. The punishment for high treason is (or was until the woofters outlawed it) being hung, drawn, and quartered.

His campaign against Don Brash didnt exactly endear him to me either.

[idleidolidyll]

Nicky Hagar is a traitor to his country who should be tried for sedition and hung by the neck until dead.

I would gladly piss on his grave, hes a fucking disgrace.

Actually it is the Nats who are traitors to their country in that they are quite prepared to sell NZ to the lowest bidder as long as their corporate buddies make a profit in the meantime.

[Lias]

Accepting unquestioningly whatever you're told is the road to a dictatorship or to a fascist controlled govt.

Blindly questioning authority at every turn is the road to being a fucking lefty prat whos rebelling against mummy & daddy.

I'd rather live in a facist state than a communist one thats for sure!

[idleidolidyll]

I've partially read "Secret Power", I couldnt finish reading it because his politics and views make me physically ill.

I believe his "exposure" of SIS/GCHB intelligence activities is an act of legal high treason against our nation. The punishment for high treason is (or was until the woofters outlawed it) being hung, drawn, and quartered.

His campaign against Don Brash didnt exactly endear him to me either.

Your beliefs are quite meaningless given that not the SIS, the Police, the Courts nor any of the politicians he has slammed have been able to find any way to legally prosecute him.

The upshot is pretty obvious: His work is pretty much on the money

[idleidolidyll]

Blindly questioning authority at every turn is the road to being a fucking lefty prat whos rebelling against mummy & daddy.

I'd rather live in a facist state than a communist one thats for sure!

and do you think those are the only choices?
what about a socialist state?

the socialist states in Europe consistently rate as the best to live in with the most freedom etc.

My humble suggestion is that you go fulfill your wish and move to Amerikkka, the latest fascist state where your freedom and democracy is a joke and you can be arrested at any time without any representation.

Hell, maybe Bush will employ you on his maximum security ranch in central America. The one he's set up so that he can't be extradicted after he is indicted for his crimes.

good luck, you'll need it.

[Lias]

I dont particularly like america, or Dubya, and if you think Americas a facist state you have got your head screwed on wrong. America's a corporate dicatatorship. So err no thanks I'll pass on the offer to live in the US.

Freedom of speech is a good thing to a degree, but nicky hagar is pretty much the political version of a paparazzi chasing celebs for the gossip rags. He is very much a political spin doctor, attempting to put his spin on events. Do his writings have some basis in fact? Sure I'm happy to believe that. Does he spin it to cast the worst possible light on the matter? Absolutely he does.

PS: Indicting people for "war crimes" and even the whole concept of "war crimes is another fucked up PC idea..In war, there are no rules, no laws, there is just winning.

[nudemetalz]

Wheres the 7.62 option?

.50cal makes for a more spectacular show ....

[Indiana_Jones]

As for your earlier comment that the Nats 'talked' to the Bretheren; ROTFLMFAO! They did more than talk, they organised a national campaign to elect the Nats using massive donations. Those donations don't come free of charge. Just as with the fascist Yank govt, they come with strings attached and demands for policy that the donors require to be passed.

You make it sound like a bad thing getting funding lol

Not like labour doesn't get funding from fucking unions :P

-Indy

[idleidolidyll]

You make it sound like a bad thing getting funding lol

Not like labour doesn't get funding from fucking unions :P

-Indy

absolutely!

you should always know what the backer$ get out of it; business, unions, interest groups, clubs etc

if you don't, you're what a dictionary describes as 'ignorant' of the facts.

i reckon we're all kept ignorant to a degree but i for one don't like it, i don't trust them to decide what i shouldn't know.