Bikes don't make the dangerous list?

[Insanity_rules]

probably because we pay registeration therefore the govt has a valid way of charging us, it woudl be impossible to acc levy mountain bikers or surfers etc..

Make the bastards slap a licence plate on their horses, mountain bikes and ruddy surf boards. That'll fix em.

[gamgee]

I don't beleive when they say surfing they refer to it as what your all thinking, a lot of the 'surfing' claims are probably injuries occuring between the flags where people are running into each other etc. jellyfish stings etc and on the claim form it'll just be put down as "was stung/hit/dumped while at the beach" which for some reason is assumed to mean they were surfing, I've never seen a surfing injury that would have gone to hospital or anything, of course there are probably the big wave surfers might end up with the odd knock/cut that needs a few stitches, but the frequency with which that happens wouldn't even show on the stats. but in general I think they are talking crap saying surfing is a dangerous sport, oh and for the record you'll be lucky if a board lasts past 2 or 3 years (at least my ones anyway) the only fair way to do it would be to charge people to swim between the flags, and do we really want that?

[McJim]

Make the bastards slap a licence plate on their horses, mountain bikes and ruddy surf boards. That'll fix em.

Bugroff!

I've got 1 Car, 2 Motorbikes and 4 Pushbikes. If you get into power I'll be skint!

[Insanity_rules]

Bugroff!

I've got 1 Car, 2 Motorbikes and 4 Pushbikes. If you get into power I'll be skint!

Then I'm backing a bulk discount for more than 1 reg. I currently pay for 2 Cars, 1 Bike and a stuffing Trailer. Not bloody cheap either. Paying rego's sux.

[gamgee]

Then I'm backing a bulk discount for more than 1 reg. I currently pay for 2 Cars, 1 Bike and a stuffing Trailer. Not bloody cheap either. Paying rego's sux.

if you don't like it get rid of the cars and trailer... sorted

[McJim]

Then I'm backing a bulk discount for more than 1 reg. I currently pay for 2 Cars, 1 Bike and a stuffing Trailer. Not bloody cheap either. Paying rego's sux.

That makes more sense - let's face it - it's not like I can ride all of the vehicles at once - the concession should therefore be that ACC levy is only paid once by each person at the rate of the most expensive registered vehicle. therefore if the Bike attracts the highest premium then the second bike and the car should be ACC free.

I can understand what happened with this 'Dangerous List'. They would only look at sporting use. Statistically there are far fewer injuries from motorsports than say rugby, surfing, mountain biking, kick boxing etc. The everyday road use of motorbikes is not being calculated in these stats.

[davereid]

You pay your money and you take your chances...

Health is one of the tricky ones to measure - it doesn't really follow normal market rules.

Today we heard that for each $7 increase in funding, the public health system delivers only $1 in measurable improvements in health outcomes.

On the other hand, pay rates for valuable workers have increased, gobbling up a lot of the money - unmeasurable in health outcomes, but invaluable. I mean you would certainly measure the result if all health professionals pissed off overseas!

In most free markets, price and demand are related. So, if you lower the price of viagra, you would expect demand, and the number of patients needing it to increase. So the market works for a product like viagra.

But lets say we lower the price of treatment for quadraplegia. Will we see more patients ? Not likely.

What have we learned ? IMHO the best way to spend the health dollar is on free public health - the commercial model sucks.

BUT, hospitals currently get given a wad of cash, and get to keep any they don't spend. So your hip operation gets put off.

Compare it to accident cover, provided by ACC. Hospital only get paid for doing the job.

So..

Answer 1 - a free health system funded by tax - but any provider can get the loot as long as the operation is done to approved standard, on time.

Answer 2 - train more doctors, OTs, TRADS, nurses. Yes, a lot of them go overseas for more money. But some have mums, boyfriends, mortgaes and choose to stay. You just can't convince me that there is more money, and better universities in SriLanka. But they produce many many more doctors than us. Just turn the machine up !

sheesh, one of my better raves for a while. Must top up the gin.

[Oscar]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/3962966a11.html.

Quote: "by far the most dangerous adventure sports were found to be horse riding, mountainbiking, tramping and surfing."
None of which pay ANY ACC levy.

So why do we pay such high ACC premiums? (easy answer -to pay for the horsey set, etc)

It's my fault - I retired from racing...

[scracha]

"However, Canterbury Area Pony Club president Peter Goldsmith said there was already a high emphasis on safety in the sport"

My fuckin arse there is. The number of dipshits I see in the paddock or on the road or fields with no helmets or "cowboy" hats is astonishing. I hardly ever see riders wearing armour or back protectors, even when jumping. I see inexperienced kids (and adults) riding horses on the road who've obviously never had any safety courses given to them.

The horsey mags the missus gets have barely any mention of safe practices or equipment. Most of the racing stables quite often have people working alone with horses and at best there's a basic first aid kit somewhere. The "she'll be right" attitude prevails.

There's more crazy horse riders than motorcyclists IMHO but obviously we're crazy for going over 120kph.

It's funny how dogs have to be continuously registered.....

[YLWDUC]

The ACC system is fundamentally flawed. Although it is a 'no fault' system, Motorcyclists pay a higher ACC levy at registration time, despite the fact that of all motorcycle accidents, less than 50% are the fault of the rider.

[Lorax]

sports dont pay any acc as far as i'm aware, and yet the acc claims from sports are huge..

Every single club rugby player in NZ has an ACC levy in their club fees (somewhere between $50 and $100???), as they were extracting a HUGE toll on the system.

And before people call me a rugby head, I've never played a game of rugby in my life.

Unsure about other sports.

[Ixion]

I do not know why that urban myth keeps coming back. The only rugby players who pay an ACC levy for playing rugby are professionals. They pay it because it is their job.

ACC receives income from ONLY theses sources (1) Levies on motor vehicles . Part of our rego fee (and fuel I think) . This goes into the vehicle injury fund and is used to cover the cost of injuries received on the roads. (2) Employers levies. Paid by employers as a percentage of their payroll. Goes into the Employers fund and is used to (partly) cover the cost of work place accidents. (3) Employee and self employed persons levies. Paid as a percentage of income, usually as part of your income tax (it's a separate thing to income tax, but they collect it at the same time). Self employed are separately invoiced. This goes into the employees fund and is used (along with the employers fund) to cover the cost of work place accidents. (The employers and employees funds have to be separate because some large employers manage their own ACC operations , and are therefore exempted from paying into the employer fund). (4) A "contribution" from central government, which goes into the "General" fund. This is used to cover the cost of non-road, non workplace accidents .

The ACC receive no other income than these (and interest etc on investments).

A rugby club will usually employ people , and will be charged an ACC levy based on that employment. They may well pass that cost onto the members and show it as "ACC". But it forms NO part of any contribution toward the cost of injuries recevied by amateur players.

[idleidolidyll]

Bugroff!

I've got 1 Car, 2 Motorbikes and 4 Pushbikes. If you get into power I'll be skint!

We have a car, 6 mountainbikes, 2 road treadlies, 3 motorbikes: I concur!

Frankly, mountainbiking gives me almost all the thrills plus a few ectras of motorbiking without worrying about flashing lights and losing my licence. Plus I reckon it's the very best training to ride a motorcycle in that it quickens your responses for a very similar 'ride'.
Often on a sunday it's a damn hard choice between a motorbike ride and a mountainbike ride at Vegas, Woodhill, Riverhead, Hunua or Whitford.

If it has been raining for a few days before, Woodhill almost always gets the nod.

Haggi, you're welcome to take my 29" wheeled titanium singlespeed mtb demonstrator out for a ride if you're keen: no obligation. It's set up for someone your size.

ditto for others but on a request basis: call me

Mike 021 621507

[thehovel]

"The ACC system is fundamentally flawed. Although it is a 'no fault' system, Motorcyclists pay a higher ACC levy at registration time, despite the fact that of all motorcycle accidents, less than 50% are the fault of the rider."
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WRONG WRONG For as long as 60% of accidents are ONE vehicle accidents,however multi vehicle accidents where one of vehicle is a bike the bike is in the right about 60% of the time. Their (ACC) reasioning for higher cost is we get hurt more seriously and takes longer to recover. CUT DOWN ON THE ONE BIKE PRANGS!!! Regard Richard