That part is fine, just put a traffic management plan in place, or have courtesy for other road users when practicing.Originally Posted by Squeak the Rat
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That part is fine, just put a traffic management plan in place, or have courtesy for other road users when practicing.
Time to ride
I blame the Labour Government
I don't know about OTHER peoples point of view but heres mine in plain english. I dont mind if cyclists ride in bunches as long as when I come up behind them they make room for me in a timely manner. as wolf stated though how hard is it to paint a peice of wood with !warning cyclists ahead! and just have a few spaced out along your route.
From American dad :
American dads dad: Breaking into a safe is like making love to a woman
American dad: So you just pound on it for two minutes until your done?
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You guys have strayed so far off the point it isn't funny.
It isn't acceptable to be met head on by 30 cyclists on the open road on the wrong side of the road coming around a blind corner toward you.
It isn't acceptable to be held up at an intersection for more than 5 minutes while people refill water bottles and chat about the route after having blocked all access to the intersection and the road ahead.
It isn't acceptable to then be threatened by the pinheads in the all over pantyhose with the giant thighs and girly arms and the clip clop shoes when you get out and ask if it would be alright to get through please.
It isn't acceptable to have to pull off miracle avoidance techniques when proceeding lawfully through an intersection only to be blindsided by a lycra mince bag running a red light at speed.
None of the above is an infrequent occurrence any more. I have to put myself at risk to avoid injuring a cyclist.
It is a cyclists responsibility to use the road safely. Threatening other road users, riding on the wrong side of the road consistently, and ignoring traffic signals would get any other road user a trip to court.
On the open road I always treat cyclists like another road user and indicate when overtaking, taking to the other side of the road where possible. I will wave them through an intersection so they can avoid having to stop.
But I will not tolerate blatantly unsafe or threatening behaviour, particularly after reading some of the attitudes displayed openly in this thread.
Squeak, none of the stuff you say about road racing excuses blatant disregard for other road users including unsafe and aggressive behaviour. I've had a million near misses on the bike but I don't take it out on any and all other road users as a matter of course.
I'd like to see NZ riders do a lot better at the road racing discipline but they need to organise themselves better, co-ordinate with local councils better, plan ahead better, and be the better "man" when confronted.
Just. Like. We. Have. To.
Last edited by James Deuce; 8th March 2007 at 14:12.
If a man is alone in the woods and there isn't a woke Hollywood around to call him racist, is he still white?
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Jim2, I completely agree with all the points you are making about cyclists behaviour on the wrong side of the road or blocking intersections yakking etc. Don't worry, I've had encounters with some cyclists who are so far up themselves that it's not funny.
Maybe i didn't read the entire 15 pages, but the original point i was arguing was:
Putting out signs over a 120km route is not practical for a training ride.
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Cyclists have as much right to use the road as us (well, not really, they don't pay rego/petrol and thus no road tax, but you get the idea). 99% never give any trouble... in fact, I find them incredibly courteous given that I split in their bicycle lanes every day.
I don't treat them any different from motorcyclists now. If I'm in my car going through a twisty piece of hills (especially if I'm not familiar with it), then I'll run over either of them if they're in my lane. I am not going over a large cliff for any homo, cycler/motorcyslist/whatever.
I don't agree with a friend of mine the other night. There were a couple heading up a twisty hill... only two of them, but were being cocks about road courtesy. His kwaka is bloody loud on full chat, as they now know... Not very nice, even if they did borderline deserve it.
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If there's only 4 of them, then no, but 30? 40? 50? Those sorts of numbers can cause significant issues for other road users. There needs to be some sort of warning system used by the cyclists to minimise the hold ups, and no, you aren't help up for 7 seconds as someone has intimated.
If a man is alone in the woods and there isn't a woke Hollywood around to call him racist, is he still white?
Mad nagging bitch!
Cycle trainer machines....they come with the ability to programme in hills etc, used to have one myself.
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If my nose was running money, I'd blow it all on you...
e mare libertas
You've never actually ridden up a mountain on a bicycle, have you?
It's just not the same.
kiwibiker is full of love, an disrespect.
- mikey
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You'd like a wind trainer where virtual cyclists offer a cheery greeting while they drop you on the 'hills'?
Or perhaps one with an inbuilt bread roll dispenser?
e mare libertas
You're fucking well going down, cripple boy. Get bloody fixed up already so that I can force-feed you some of my 'tasty humble pie'.
kiwibiker is full of love, an disrespect.
- mikey
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Hm. So , as I understand it, the psyclists are saying that they need to train for their racing. And that justifies them using the road in a dangerous, discourteous and inconsiderate fashion. And that this is acceptable because they have no other choice.
Well, if them training for their road races means they must endanger me, then I have another solution for them. Ban cycle road races. No races , no need for training. Problem solved.
Can anyone give me a reaosn why cycle road races should NOT be banned. Since they are manifestly a public danger?
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Hmm, so are "some" bike rides or car club drives .... and these guys and the odd girl have no races to train for.
Don't get your point, sorry......
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The point being that the people on the bike rides (or car club drives) don't claim that dangerous/illegal/inconsiderate behaviour is justified by the "need' to train for racing.
Still Ridin'
As has been stated ad nauseum in this thread, no on has a problem with cyclists who're behaving courteously and obeying the road rules, being mindful of other traffic.
With respect to cyclists practising the racing techniques on open roads, I have no problem so long as they are mindful that it is an open road and they are not riding under controlled conditions - to whit: they show due care and consideration for other road users.
They are not actually in a real race, they are only practising and said practise should not endanger them or others. In a real race, the road will either be closed or heavily marshalled; in a practise session, the road is likely to have a lot of far faster traffic on it.
My scene is motorcycle touring and I put in a lot of hours on the winding roads around the "local" area keeping myself toned and honed for the long haul, even though I'm not actually straying far from home (usually no further than Mercer, Otorohanga etc). During this time I ride with the knowledge that other road users are about and I must take care not to endanger myself or them.
As a motorcyclist, I am quite vulnerable and the onus is on me to behave accordingly (I've seen far too many idiots in larger, faster vehicles to trust them to do "the Right Thing(TM)"). I'm not as vulnerable as someone on a push bike, granted, but that only serves to demonstrate that they should take extra care. I am the one responsible for my safety on the road, I am the one who needs to ensure I ride as safely and predictably as possible to avoid getting myself in a position where I have to rely on some retarded cager's reflexes.
I certainly would not behave in a dangerous or arrogant fashion and expect others to courteously respect me.
Motorbike Camping for the win!
The instructions are simple...
That's the nub of it, right there.
Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?
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