they said reperation.Originally Posted by Wolf
I blame the Labour Government
they said reperation.
From American dad :
American dads dad: Breaking into a safe is like making love to a woman
American dad: So you just pound on it for two minutes until your done?
Forum whore
Read an Article in the Dom-Post today. California have started experimenting with restorative justice, where the victim confronts the victimiser. In this case the victim was a cyclist's wife.
The victimiser was in jail serving a 14 year sentence for killing the cyclist while driving drunk. He was charged with, and convicted of, manslaughter.
If a man is alone in the woods and there isn't a woke Hollywood around to call him racist, is he still white?
Still Ridin'
That's more like. About time killing/maiming someone while DIC became recognised as murder/attempted murder here in NZ - it's not like it was an accident that they got in/on their vehicle whilst pissed.
If I were to discharge a firearm in a careless or drunken manner in a crowded area I wouldn't expect any leniency from the law and a vehicle being carelessly misused is just as potentially deadly - perhaps more so, as I'm more likely to miss with a .303" wide bullet than someone is with a 6" wide car...
Motorbike Camping for the win!
Forum whore
That would be a jolly useful car for lane splitting.
Still Ridin'
All right, smart-arse. I meant to type 6' wide car.
Motorbike Camping for the win!
Immature and proud of it.
One was riding without lights on an unlit road.
I guess that proves another point.
He won't do it again though.
They should have Bikewise week every week.
Speed doesn't kill people.
Stupidity kills people.
onli mrns Us txt spk
Fancy reading some other NZers perspectives on some of the issues raised here?
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/feature/st...ectid=10427070
(Your Views section of the NZ Herald site related to the article "Two riders die in Bikewise week".
Hardcore Biker
Actually Ive seen more cyclists who blatently break the law than not....example, leaving the bledisloe port saturday morning...group of 3 guys in full gear riding towards mission bay ...rode through a red light, another three in beach road looking to u turn 3 abreast taking up 1 1/2 lanes wobbling all over the road ...I kept going, wondering if they was gonna wobble into my lane...going up stanley st had another run a red and almost ride into the side of me...all in the space of 7 mins...go figure and some of you wonder why some people are biased towards cyclists as a whole.
ride to the road rules and no problems ...aint that hard .
once i get home im cooking the barbie and one of the neighbors kids rides down the road , no helmet...so i call him back give him a peice of my mind and tell him to fuck off home and get his helmet...my kids dont think twice about helmets and seat belts etc...i started teaching them from about 8-9 months.
Kiwibiker Senior Member
I haven't read everything here, but I've had some knob on a bike nearly slam into me when I was coming out of a parking lot. I wasn't going that fast and as there was no pedestriaians as I came out of the lot, I looked to my right for oncoming traffic... then I hear WHOOAAAA and see a guy on a bicycle to my left.. then he goes around behind me and to my right and says "You need to look both ways dude!!"
I was thinking.. what the fuck were you riding on the sidewalk for anyway!? There was nobody on the walk remotely close to me or the opening of the parking lot. He just was a knob that raced out on the sidewalk.
Then again, I see plenty of motorcyclist who do similar things I think they deserve it if they get hit.
Still Ridin'
Cheers, Bell.
I noticed a couple in there acknowledged that some cyclists also act illegally and need to learn some respect - obviously they weren't "all-cyclists-are-saints" Forkoil.
I get really pissed off with motorists who do not signal or who signal for less than the three seconds required by law but I've noticed that car drivers signal more often than push bikers do. I've seen far more car drivers signal than those who fail to signal. The ratio seems to be reversed for cyclists - I've seen more cyclists turn without signalling than I have seen using proper hand signals.
Why is that? Can it be that they have a flagrant disregard for the legal requirement to signal intent? Are they unaware that they are supposed to? Or do they feel that it is unsafe to remove one hand from the handlebars for three seconds? (I know for a fact there are cyclists who ride for considerable distances without any hands on the handlebars).
I'm now waiting for a post that says that cyclists are exempt from hand signals because the road code is irrelevant.
Motorbike Camping for the win!
Ducatisti
I got pinged down my road one morning doing 120ish by a hidden car with a laser. I and the car I'd just overtaken had only just had to come to almost a complete stop while 3 wankers on pushbikes took up the whole left lane on a country road, while a truck was coming the other way.
While the cops were busy telling me about a guy in an XR6 that they were actually trying to catch (another story), the old guy I overtook pulled up and complained about the cyclists.
Anyway, one of the cops then went on to say how much he hates "fucken cyclists" and when they came over the brow of the hill, he gave them an earful. Sweet as and worth every penny
Teach them the single file rule (as in Britain etc).
Everyone else gets the blame, sure most cagers are busy drinking coffee or txting, but if the cyclists are putting themselves in the most dangerous positions, then they're gonna get squashed......
Viva La Figa
Must go faster - but how?
I'll bite.
The road code is irrelevent to cyclists.
And in all truth, it really is.
You don't get many second chances on a cycle, (much less than a motorbike in my opinion), so the only relevent bit is the one about not crashing into anything.
Anything else is fair game.
Red lights are there for suggestion only, same for green. Neither mean it's OK to go; only if it is safe may you then procede.
Cars/motorbikes/cycles/skateboards all have the same responsibility to safely share the road with each other, cars (and the like) are about the only ones who kill people on a regular basis.
Frustration is not a valid excuse to run somebody over, something I expected more support from on a motorbike forum....
At the rise of the hand by Policeman, stop rapidly. Do not pass him by or otherwise disrespect him.
Ducatisti
Basic courtesy and common sense would go a long way. Something many cyclists simply don't seem to possess.
Viva La Figa
Still Ridin'
I never said I felt I had an excuse to run somebody over, frustrated or otherwise.
The only cyclist I could have run over was the retard that swerved between me and the car I was following. Fortunately, I was a trifle over two seconds behind the car and I was a better rider back then than that demented cyclist could ever hope to be (and I still had a fair bit to learn about riding back then) so I was able to avoid him.
Fortunately for both of us, actually.
If a person is incapable of obeying the road rules when other traffic is around, they have no right being on the road - no matter what they are in/on.
In all truth, they really don't.
It's one thing carefully running a red when there is no traffic at all on the road that's got the green light because your bike won't trigger the stupid fucking sensors and the light is locked in "default" mode. Fine, fair enough, I can name one set of lights here in Hamilton that my motorbike won't trigger no matter how much I try to make my presence known to the sensor (everywhere else, braking hard on the edge of the grid seens to work fine). But pulling out in front of traffic, no matter how far away they are, is not on. Nor is failing to indicate your intent to turn, nor is failing to check behind you.
I'm sick of the whining from certain cyclists to the effect of "we have just as much right to use the roads as "you" do but we don't have to actually obey the road rules."
That's not saying "We have just as much right" that is saying "we have more right."
And they're probably the same ones who'd whine their arses off if a car turned in front of them without signalling or without looking. "Boo hoo, bloody cagers, never fucking indicate, I hit him because he turned without signalling", "He just pulled out in front of me, didn't even check his mirrors, stupid fucking cager..."
If people cannot see that proper indication of intent, and proper checking of what is behind them, prior to manouevring is an important part of ensuring their own safety, then they're too stupid to be on the roads.
I put a brake light on my old Zundapp and upgraded the existing add-on indicators despite the fact that it did not legally require either because, although I was thoroughly comfortable with using hand signals (years of riding push bikes and my old TS125 which did not have indicators), I did not trust the other road users to notice them and respond to them appropriately. I put in the lights so other vehicles would see and recognise them for the sake of my own safety.
Watch me on the road, you will see me signal - usually more than three seconds in advance - then check my mirrors and my blind spot - not "because it's the law" but because it increases my chance of survival.
I'm stunned at how many people can sit and whinge about how arrogant, careless and retarded the car drivers are and then state that they expect these "arrogant, careless and retarded" car drivers to somehow react in an appropriate fashion when they (the whingers) randomly behave unpredictably (like swerving across the road without looking or signalling intent.)
Motorbike Camping for the win!
Armature speller
This I think is the crux along with consideration to other road users.
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