The firearm thread

[Mumbles]

Just had an idea, not one of my more smarter ones.

AS you guys might or might not know, I’ve had trouble trying to sell my L1A1 on Trademe but they keep pulling it cause its a "E" cat.

What about if I was to list a “Photo” of my L1A1 for auction.
I then offer the winner of the auction the pictured L1A1 at no charge?

Na better not, dont want to cause too much trouble or do I?

[The Lone Rider]

Melt some solder into the firing pin mechanism and sell without a magazine as a decomissioned gun suitable for hanging on a wall.

I don't really know what I'm on about. Airsoft air guns are my forte.

[Wolf]

Just had an idea, not one of my more smarter ones.

AS you guys might or might not know, I’ve had trouble trying to sell my L1A1 on Trademe but they keep pulling it cause its a "E" cat.

What about if I was to list a “Photo” of my L1A1 for auction.
I then offer the winner of the auction the pictured L1A1 at no charge?

Na better not, dont want to cause too much trouble or do I?

Get a mag cut down to seven rounds, as I recall the flash suppressor unscrews so do so, it already has a "target" stock going by the pics, so list it as "A" cat but mention in the ads that E cat licence holders may be interested in the fact you have 20 round mags and the flash suppressor available for it...

[Swoop]

What are they going to do? Try to see if they can get firearms or ammo without a licence?

What day and time is it on?

Adverts are promoting it to screen this week.
Selling airguns, by the looks of it.

[Wolf]

Adverts are promoting it to screen this week.
Selling airguns, by the looks of it.

Ah, a repeat of their selling smokes to underage chicks but instead selling airguns to under-18s who require a firearms licence to get one (as opposed to us old farts who only need a licence when we buy explosive-propellant firearms).

I saw the selling of cigarettes one and I think it was unmitigated crap. In the case of the older actress, it could be a genuine "she looked old enough to me" issue. When they actually asked her age and she answered honestly they said "no". The wording on the signs is "If you look younger than.." which is extremely subjective.

I had a twenty-one-year-old friend who turned up to lunch fuming and swearing because they asked her for ID for smokes at one of the shops.

When I was 14 I could have bought smokes anywhere (15-year-old limit then but I could have passed as 18). At 18 I was getting into pubs with no difficulty (21 was the age limit) - all I had to do was stop shaving for a couple of days.

So I guess they'll be getting a couple of 16-year-olds who look marginally old enough and send them into gun shops to see if they get mistaken for 18-year-olds and therefore sold an airgun. Bollocks again.

I'll watch it, see if I'm wrong or right, then possibly may feel moved to send a letter to Target about their tactics.

[Wolf]

This is the comment I put up on TV3's comments for the cigarette sting episode:

Actually, I thought the segment was rubbish. Sensationalist journalism at its lowest. The perceived age of another person is very subjective and the 16-year-old actress looked anywhere between 16 and 20 to me. It is up to the storekeeper to estimate the age of a person and sometimes they're going to get it wrong - a 21-year-old friend of mine was furious at being asked for an ID when buying cigarettes, 16 and 17-year-olds get sold them without question. Sending an actress in who looks roughly the right age and kicking up a song and dance that some people don't check that they're old enough is just rubbish. I note that most those who let them buy cigarettes were foreigners - hardly surprising they cannot determine the age of someone not of their own race (I personally cannot tell the age of any asian between 15 and 30 by appearance alone). Nice job of deliberately stacking the odds in favour of sensationalism, guys. You should be in the propaganda industry. Oh, you are.

I suspect something similar will come out of tomorrow's programme - I confirmed from their site that tomorrrow's episode is about seeing who will sell airguns to minors.

[Swoop]

It is interesting that when purchasing from a gunshop, checking and recording licence details is normally the last step of the transaction before the cash register is used. Target seems to go "so far" with a transaction and then use that as evidence that a transaction would be fully completed.
Should be interesting to see what "shops" are involved as all of the licenced dealers I have visited are bloody kosher! Even if they know me, it is "show us your licence... again, just for the hell of it". They keep their nose clean!

[Wolf]

Even if they know me, it is "show us your licence... again, just for the hell of it". They keep their nose clean!

Well, it's a remote possibility the licence was revoked between visits so it pays to check.

[jrandom]

Even if they know me, it is "show us your licence... again, just for the hell of it".

Weeeelll... there's at least one Auckland gun shop that no longer asks to see my licence as a matter of course. I guess they should probably be shut down with extreme prejudice. They're obviously a bunch of criminals.

Still, any gun shop sales guy that doesn't ask for proof of age when selling airguns to the local yoof is just asking for trouble.

Presumably Target has their actors attempt the purchase with a dud EFTPOS card and then walk away gunless when the transaction is declined?

The "OMG shock horror this is teh evil!!11!1!" voiceover on the TV ad segment promoting that episode had me a bit nauseous. I don't think I'll bother watching tonight.

Seriously, though, in my not-so-humble opinion, anyone needing a weapon would be much better served with a machete than an airgun, and there's nothing stopping a 16-year-old from picking one of those up at Mitre 10.

[ManDownUnder]

It is interesting that when purchasing from a gunshop, checking and recording licence details is normally the last step of the transaction before the cash register is used. Target seems to go "so far" with a transaction and then use that as evidence that a transaction would be fully completed.

And that makes sense to me. What's the point of writing something in the register if the payment fails, then you have yto cross it out (and I'd expect an explanation/audit trail of sorts would also be needed to explain it).

Much simpler to take payment and THEN put the details into the book.

IDEALLY I guess they should check licence before taking payment but taking payment up front expedites the whole thing.

[Mr Merde]

I missed this program as I was away at a shooting competition.

Could someone please give a synopsis of the program for me.

[ManDownUnder]

I missed this program as I was away at a shooting competition.

Could someone please give a synopsis of the program for me.

It's on tonight

[Mr Merde]

It's on tonight

Thanks MDU,

I'll be ready if I can get the old lady off Coronation Street for a change.

[ManDownUnder]

Thanks MDU,

I'll be ready if I can get the old lady off Coronation Street for a change.

Here's the trailer

Interesting they're talking about selling replica air pistols to people illegally but the intro segment shows a pistol spitting out brass casings...

[Mr Merde]

Here's the trailer

Interesting they're talking about selling replica air pistols to people illegally but the intro segment shows a pistol spitting out brass casings...

We are not supposed to notice that. I also noticed a definite crack when firing those handguns, not airgun sound. Did you notice the target had a very large hole in it about .45 caliber not .177

Sensationalism