Economic stature. WTF?

[Macktheknife]

Jeezus Drew, calm down mate! You are taking this all a bit personally mate, don't you think?
Besides, generally speaking the suits might well be 'better than us', or at least they think so. lol
So what? let them have their delusions, just smile and walk away carrying as much of their money as you can.
Life is good, go for a ride.

[The Stranger:Me]

Was it part of the conditions of contract?
If not you may well have grounds for a claim for loss of productivity, working out of hours and additional P&G.

[Motu]

If you really want to be slagged on KB you have to be a Bike shop or a WoF inspector - builders have got nothing to do with bikes.

Us AVI's love upseting people so much at one shop we used to have a prize for ''Bastard of the Day'' - for the guy who got a customer the most upset with a WoF failure.They are so see through it's funny.

Mind you,the shoe can be on the other foot.Today we had a site inspection from LTNZ and an AVI sitting a test.We got through the site inspection,but the AVI failed on some petty questions that have no relevance to the vehicles he will be inspecting.....we spent the rest of the afternoon talking about what a bastard the LTNZ guy was.

[Deano]

Can the 'suits' do their job while you're making a racket ? Can they talk on the phone while concrete is being drilled, cut etc ?

OSH regulations ? You can wear earmuffs but it's not practical for them when they answer phones. Alternative interim premises for their staff costs money - can you charge more for working outside of 'normal office hours' ?

Sorry to disagree but conversely why then is your job more important that theirs ? I agree that some staff complain about sweet FA.

Can they do their job effectively outside of office hours like you can ? Such as their business 'partners' only working during office hours.

End of the day, you are being contracted to do a job so 'they' get to dictate the working hours under the contract - your choice is to accept the contract or not - your choice.

Another consideration is the neighbour premises and noise regulations regarding their 'rights'. Do you meet the construction noise standards with regard to adjoining tenancies (office next door) ?

I don't think it's about being 'better' than you, but what is practicable for the people issuing the contract, and their staff requirements in order to do their jobs.

[RantyDave]

I'm a self employed builder, and I cant start my next job untill the weekend, because the fuckin suit wearin types, dont think they should have to put up with a little bit of noise.

Ahhhh yes, the psychology of people who work in offices ... one of my favourites.

In offices around the world, but particularly in Wellington (because that's where the government is) are people who have unimportant and rather simple jobs that, if the organisation they worked for was halfway efficient, would be actually completely unnecessary. They occupy their time with the following:

* Meetings.
* Flying other places for meetings.
* Organising meetings.
* Making sure everyone knows how vital their role is. Usually via a series of meetings.
* Making sure everyone knows what a just awesome and thoroughly valued professional they are. Best achieved with a series of important and "high level" ... meetings.

This last step carries with it several accoutrements familiar to those from an office environment: Laptops; Comfy chairs; Their own office; Corner offices; Business class travel; Parking spaces; Company credit cards. All these seek to reassure our office dweller that they are, in fact, a just awesome and thoroughly valued professional.

And this is where you come in. How can the just awesome and thoroughly valued professional possibly be expected to coordinate the joint strategies of the online, branding and demographic focus teams when some oik is using a fucking concrete drill two floors above them? Like, come on... they need an Aeron chair, a mahogony desk, and the absolute latest peecee or this work is simply not possible. They don't strategise themselves y'know.

So the reality is that while you could drill some concrete two floors up and our JAATVP would miss not one game of solitaire, the fact that you might be allowed to would be an affront to their JAATVP-ness. This in turn might draw attention to how they are perhaps not as good at their jobs as you might like, which might in turn draw attention to how they might not actually be necessary at all if we're being honest ... and all of a sudden unemployment or the teaching of Geography starts to loom. And that, clearly, cannot be allowed to happen.

Of course this tends to not affect people with actual skills ... builders, for instance ... or people who ride motorbikes very quickly up hills at the weekend ... because they have no need for reassurance. But it does create an understanding gap which, hopefully, I have helped close.

Dave (who has been working with Drum'n'bass in the background all day)

[Madness]

You still working Deano?

[Deano]

You still working Deano?

I'm on a course in Auckland - actually, in the vein of this thread, why the f**k should I have to get up at 5.00am to fly up here, and give up my social life each evening just so I can upskill to a necessary standard to do my 'suit type' office job. I miss my own bed and my pets, bike and wife.....in no particular order. hehe

I knew I should have got a 'trade'.

Hahahaha

[Madness]

I hate it when you have a 7am flight, get up at 5 to get there on time then the bastidges delay the flight by an hour. Business travel aint what it's stacked up to be, maybe it's just my Economic Stature?

[Ixion]

If you really want to be slagged on KB you have to be a Bike shop or a WoF inspector - builders have got nothing to do with bikes.

...

Hizbollah. I'm just waiting till the plodmembers see this



(Mind you, it appears that in Auckland all the non traffic ones DO work office hours only. At any rate there's no cop shops open outside office hours anymore)

[The_Dover]

No one thinks they're better than you (except me), it's your choice to do what you do, if ya don't like it, make a change.

I'm better than that scruffy prick.

And I wear a nice suit in my air conditioned office, thank you.

[The_Dover]

I'm on a course in Auckland - actually, in the vein of this thread, why the f**k should I have to get up at 5.00am to fly up here, and give up my social life each evening just so I can upskill to a necessary standard to do my 'suit type' office job. I miss my own bed and my pets, bike and wife.....in no particular order. hehe

I knew I should have got a 'trade'.

Hahahaha

Are you coming round to buy me beer Unkle Deano?

[White trash]

, why the f**k should I have to get up at 5.00am to fly up here, and give up my social life each evening just

Fuck ya then, wont come pick you up tonight.

[The Pastor]

Yeah the suits are basterds alright everything is controlled by the man, If he don't like it it don't happen. Stuff the man. Stuff you. Stuff lartays. Suff patatoes.


So what if I have a beer at work stuff working sober.




p.s Im a bus driver.

[Flatcap]

I thought I'd start a thread, asking why I should have to work outside of office hours.

You have to work outside office hours as you don't work in an office and you are self employed.

If you want to work office hours, get an office job and work for The Man - it's simple really.

[Drew]

I'm not contracted by the people in the floor above normally, and not this time either. The noise heard above is pretty quiet, less noisy than a neighbor with a fairly new lawnmower for instance.

I do understand the flip side of this coin, but it's not that bloody bad, but they are only inconvenienced for a couple hours if I'm drilling a large floor, and to me, to have to go in on a Saturday, means loosing time with my kids, who I only see every second week at the moment.

I miss my kids every minute they're not with me, which is why I am ranting like this.