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    The vital word (though as far as I aware this law has not been properly tested in court) is exhibition . There must be an "exhibition". A "showing off".

    This is an example of a bad drafted law, intended for a specific purpose that has been perverted by a few cops as a general purpose clobbering device.

    It was passed (and reference to hansard makes that clear) as a measure to dela with boi racers drag racing. It covers bikes, too, which is fair enough.

    But the critical point was that the behaviour aimed at was the "boi racer drag". Accelerating as hard as possible , before an audience.

    No audience, no exhibition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MWVT View Post
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    Lucky the cops are currently using their discretion in almost every single case, otherwise we would all be walking.
    But - the legislation is there and, if the powers want to be even bigger arseholes than they already are, all they have to do is make the cops enforce it, every time, regardless! Then there'll be some complaints!
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    Quote Originally Posted by rwh View Post
    That site is strange - or the law is:

    And then in the FAQ section:


    So with the definition of 'authorised by law' as given, it seems completely pointless, except as an additional charge where charges could already be laid: it's ok if you're not over the speed limit or driving recklessly etc.

    Anybody else read that differently?

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    So it's OK to do it when you're alone (effectively race yourself) but you're not allowed to do it against someone else? That's ridiculous!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ixion View Post
    The vital word (though as far as I aware this law has not been properly tested in court) is exhibition . There must be an "exhibition". A "showing off".
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    No audience, no exhibition.
    Hmm, interesting. I guess it comes down to what defines "exhibition" and what actions actually constitute it. For example, does hooning off from the car beside you, which is full of 18yr old blondes count as showing off for an audience?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waylander View Post
    Ahem.
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    I just started riding, and I had NO idea such a law was in place.

    /me backs off the throttle

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    Quote Originally Posted by breakaway View Post
    I just started riding, and I had NO idea such a law was in place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MotoGirl View Post
    Hmm, interesting. I guess it comes down to what defines "exhibition" and what actions actually constitute it. For example, does hooning off from the car beside you, which is full of 18yr old blondes count as showing off for an audience?
    I would think so. Indeed, that is the sort of behaviour that the law was intended to curb.

    But note the actual wording of the law
    Land Transport Act 1998
    Part 3 Additional responsibilities concerning road transport (s 14 to s [22C)
    [22A Persons not to engage in unauthorised street or drag racing, or other related prohibited activities on roads

    (1)A person must not operate a motor vehicle in a race, or in an unnecessary exhibition of speed or acceleration, on a road unless the operation of the vehicle in that manner is authorised by law.
    ..

    (3)A person must not, without reasonable excuse, operate a motor vehicle on a road in a manner that causes the vehicle to undergo sustained loss of traction unless the operation of the vehicle in that manner is authorised by law.

    (4)In this section and in section 96(9), the operation of a motor vehicle in a particular manner is authorised by law if,—
    (a)in the case of a race or an exhibition of speed or acceleration,—
    (i)the speed of the vehicle is within the applicable speed limit or speed limits; and(ii)the vehicle operator does not contravene any enactment other than this section that applies in relation to the operation of the vehicle; or
    The qualification in subsection (4) is often ignored by the police. So they CANNOT ping you for excessive acceleration so long as you do not exceed the speed limit.

    But note, the qualification does NOT extend to the loss of traction clause. So, accelerate as hard as you wish PROVIDED you do not reach 51kph (in a 50 zone) , or screech the tyres. Or breach any other enactment!

    But , I would think that if pinged, and the cop did not also issue a ticket for breaking the speedlimit, or some other offence, you would have a good defence.
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    I don't like that "unnecessary exhibition of speed" bit at all.
    That could catch you out when doing 50kph around a tight corner in a 50 zone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MotoGirl View Post
    Accelerating hard in a car and on a bike can be two different things if they're trying to reach the same speed, i.e. you'd have to accelerate harder in the car!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ixion View Post
    I would think so. Indeed, that is the sort of behaviour that the law was intended to curb.

    But note the actual wording of the law


    The qualification in subsection (4) is often ignored by the police. So they CANNOT ping you for excessive acceleration so long as you do not exceed the speed limit.

    But note, the qualification does NOT extend to the loss of traction clause. So, accelerate as hard as you wish PROVIDED you do not reach 51kph (in a 50 zone) , or screech the tyres. Or breach any other enactment!

    But , I would think that if pinged, and the cop did not also issue a ticket for breaking the speedlimit, or some other offence, you would have a good defence.
    I have read a letter regarding a court case where the judge stated that if there's ANYONE in the general vicinity whether it be a person on the street or
    a car beside you then you're exhibiting.

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    I imagine the question of whether defendant was "exhibiting" the acceleration of his vehicle would be a question of fact in each case.

    The general demeanour etc would be relevant also, eg revving the engine and so on.

    But, there must be *someone* to witness the exhibition, I think, And the defendant would have to be shown to be aware that the observer was there .

    So, for instance, hard acceleration into a 100kph area with no other traffic around - it would be hard to argue that was an "exhibition"

    Unfortunately I don't think this aspect has been properly tested (ie a fully defended case, with a lawyer etc).
    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark
    This world has lost it's drive, everybody just wants to fit in the be the norm as it were.
    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Vincent
    The manufacturers go to a lot of trouble to find out what the average rider prefers, because the maker who guesses closest to the average preference gets the largest sales. But the average rider is mainly interested in silly (as opposed to useful) “goodies” to try to kid the public that he is riding a racer

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