Team GPR

[kel]

ok just cracked 30hp :drool:31837929.5hp at 10500 the best for regans fun lol

Hey what's with that colour scheme, but then plagiarism its the greatest form of flattery.
Think I might be down a couple of hp after the two hour effort :(.
We walked the track after the race and found the regulator. Finally got around to plugging it in yesterday and she fired straight up. Clipped the camera onto the front guard and went and power stood the thing up the street thinking this will make a nice little pre Taumaranui stir.
Fucking camera obviously wasn't clipped on properly as it wasn't on the front guard when I stopped :doh:

[Sketchy_Racer]

Whoop whoop.

So close to the magic numbers...

Maybe let the weather cool down a little more and we will see the sparks fly....

Anyway finally uploaded..


http://youtu.be/TyU8PNnVUSQ

Jebus, unleash the beast why don't ya!!

Get that quickshifter working?

[mr bucketracer]

the quickshifter is todays job , bugger the rain i wanted to do some more painting

[Bert]

the quickshifter is todays job , bugger the rain i wanted to do some more painting

Grey/red cable Pin25.
Give me a yell if you want a hand.

[seymour14]

Meanwhile...

What's been happening on planet earth lads.:devil2:

[mr bucketracer]

318517318518one of the ese boys sent a rat in to keep a eye on us ..sorry dead now lol

[seymour14]

Is that the sucker that ate your dishwasher hoses and homebrew?:2thumbsup

Looks like your cats got him good...:yeah:

[mr bucketracer]

Is that the sucker that ate your dishwasher hoses and homebrew?:2thumbsup

Looks like your cats got him good...:yeah:thats the one

[TZ350]

318517318518

one of the ese boys sent a rat in to keep a eye on us ..sorry dead now lol

My best rat too .... :laugh: .... good work on the 125, great graph.

[mr bucketracer]

My best rat too .... :laugh: .... good work on the 125, great graph.the home brew cupboard was his down fall:eek:

[Henk]

the home brew cupboard was his down fall:eek:

I knew that stuff was toxic

[F5 Dave]

Nice curve, Seymour's done a good job of that barrel. Wish you could have bought something like that back in the day rather than crappy old MBs and TSs.

[kel]

318517318518one of the ese boys sent a rat in to keep a eye on us ..sorry dead now lol
Holly crap that thing has a ton of Torque from 8 to 10k! It wants to rev, thankfully something is holding it back. Its not the pipe, maybe those silly flappy things you have in the inlet. Thank goodness you don't have that cylinder on a rotary valve bottom end
You bastards are forcing me to do some more work on my air cooler :Pokey: The 110cc rule change was supposed to force us to push these things to the back of the shed.

[husaberg]

PS - if ANYONE can do a 125 Aircooled with 24mm carb and make anything like 30 Hp at 10500, then its here in writing - free blowys for life.
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/86554-ESE-s-works-engine-tuner?p=1130319738#post1130319738

[mr bucketracer]

Holly crap that thing has a ton of Torque from 8 to 10k! It wants to rev, thankfully something is holding it back. Its not the pipe, maybe those silly flappy things you have in the inlet. Thank goodness you don't have that cylinder on a rotary valve bottom end :Pokey:that is a good point .as a rs it revs to 14 max .think rs reeds go in it .forgot to try

[mr bucketracer]

PS - if ANYONE can do a 125 Aircooled with 24mm carb and make anything like 30 Hp at 10500, then its here in writing - free blowys for life.
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/86554-ESE-s-works-engine-tuner?p=1130319738#post1130319738think best to keep below that. Kel can go first lol

[kel]

that is a good point .as a rs it revs to 14 max .think rs reeds go in it .forgot to try
:psst: you can't use RS125 reed block or petals. But test away, would love to see the result :devil2:

[seymour14]

Holly crap that thing has a ton of Torque from 8 to 10k! It wants to rev, thankfully something is holding it back. Its not the pipe, maybe those silly flappy things you have in the inlet. Thank goodness you don't have that cylinder on a rotary valve bottom end
You bastards are forcing me to do some more work on my air cooler :Pokey: The 110cc rule change was supposed to force us to push these things to the back of the shed.

That torque curve is certainly the big surprise to me as well, we still have a couple of adjustments to make up our sleeve, but the debate has raged over whether it should go on the MkII, or we risk it on the prototype. The GP is getting closer, and it may have to wait in case it wasn't to pan out.

[seymour14]

:psst: you can't use RS125 reed block or petals. But test away, would love to see the result :devil2:

Looks like the CNC magician needs a new challenge...:shifty:

[TALLIS]

think best to keep below that. Kel can go first lol

Now this has got to be the funniest thing I've heard... well... this year!
Go on kel, take one for the team

[kel]

That torque curve is certainly the big surprise to me as well ... The GP is getting closer, and it may have to wait in case it wasn't to pan out.
The current curve suggest a probable winner in Regans hands, especially if you have a clutch that can be slipped out of the Tokoroa hairpins. The shitty KE125 clutch is either off or on, that KR bottom end may just hide the key.
Sad thing is the KE is getting pretty close to being a race winner, but the current rider is well and truly past it. I think another glass of self pity maybe in order. Waiter, bring me my whine.

[richban]

:psst: you can't use RS125 reed block or petals. But test away, would love to see the result :devil2:

What reed block you using? The stock NSR250 ones will flow enough for over 40hp standard as you already know.

Maybe try adding a nice bellmouth / radius to the end of the carb if you haven't already. 24mm is a restricter for sure. Hard to imagine it revving much higher with such a small carb.

[husaberg]

What reed block you using? The stock NSR250 ones will flow enough for over 40hp standard as you already know.

Maybe try adding a nice bellmouth / radius to the end of the carb if you haven't already. 24mm is a restricter for sure. Hard to imagine it revving much higher with such a small carb.

Not that you need any more HP but over rev would be useful. Observation based on what Rich just mentioned carbs that are to small auto enrich at high revs due to the velocity. have you considered a solenoid to reverse this effect? or using a low lead fuel that responds to too rich a mixtures at high revs?
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/86554-ESE-s-works-engine-tuner?p=1130153083#post113015308
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/album.php?albumid=4844&attachmentid=301865
Second one are you using a carb designed like TZ did with the venturi. Robs was based on the famous TZ750 restrictor that actually allowed the TZ to go faster and lap faster with a smaller carb.
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=301804&d=1411460493
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/86554-ESE-s-works-engine-tuner?p=1130635032#post1130635032

[TZ350]

... 24mm is a restricter for sure. Hard to imagine it revving much higher with such a small carb.

318532

24mm carb 31 hp and max 13,500 rpm, I have 32 hp graph some place.

[richban]

318532

24mm carb 31 hp and 13,500 rpm max, I have 32 hp graph some place.

Ummmmm, ok I'll shut up. :rolleyes:

[mr bucketracer]

will try some reeds with more tension, i know years ago the one i made with more tension made more hp but lost midrange (so the set off my pants told me ) lol so a bit of a weigh off

[mr bucketracer]

Will post some dyno runs tomorrow. The reed idea gave no more rpm and less hp but retard gave more rpm . All less hp

[Bert]

that is a good point .as a rs it revs to 14 max .think rs reeds go in it .forgot to try


:psst: you can't use RS125 reed block or petals. But test away, would love to see the result :devil2:

Didn't you guys lot have homemade reeds and blocks for Regans RS that performed better than the HRC kit??? Back in the day of course.

Kel, rule 16.2 or appendix a fails to cover the use of RS125 reeds (they are neither motorS, transmission parts). In fact the new wording sucks even more than the previous lot...



Will post some dyno runs tomorrow. The reed idea gave no more rpm and less hp but retard gave more rpm . All less hp

Hummm interesting result, so I conclude that the restriction in the transfers (and small size) is the source of the problem.
Ok my reason, if by retarding the ignition allowed for more RPM then the flame front must be expanding too quickly acting as a barrier to increasing RPM.
Retarding the ignition effectively slows the timing of the flame front thus allowing for increased RPM.
So given that at high RPM only the charge (air & fuel mix) stored in the transfers is displaced (and sucked) into the cylinder - if one increase the available volume (of the stored charge) then more would provided and the slower the flame front will be.
Therefore, the standard ignition would be more suitable....
My view (two cents)...

[mr bucketracer]

Didn't you guys lot have homemade reeds and blocks for Regans RS that performed better than the HRC kit??? Back in the day of course.

Kel, rule 16.2 or appendix a fails to cover the use of RS125 reeds (they are neither motorS, transmission parts). In fact the new wording sucks even more than the previous lot...




Hummm interesting result, so I conclude that the restriction in the transfers (and small size) is the source of the problem.
Ok my reason, if by retarding the ignition allowed for more RPM then the frame front must be expanding too quickly acting as a barrier to increasing RPM.
Retarding the ignition effectively slows the timing of the frame front thus allowing for increased RPM.
So given that at high RPM only the charge (air & fuel mix) stored in the transfers is displaced (and sucked) into the cylinder - if one increase the available volume (of the stored charge) then more would provided and the slower the frame front will be.
Therefore, the standard ignition would be more suitable....
My view (two cents)...its makes a ring sound when it hits max rpm. Reved 1500 more but all fall of with retard

[Bert]

its makes a ring sound when it hits max rpm. Reved 1500 more but all fall of with retard

Power falls off everywhere with retarded ignition, but revs higher.

Yip, so with standard timing it works ok up until high revs.
This would suggest that up to a point you are getting enough charge (air/fuel) and everything is working fine (as a complete system).
but if you are only supplying a fraction of required "charge" (air&fuel) to the cylinder at high revs - then power will fall off burning too fast and expanding too quick). Current ignition timing you are hitting a wall (being the speed of the expanding charge at high RPM).
In my mind anyway...
My thoughts about ignition curves and the retarding of the curve shape is that it is a response to the total available charge and timing of the flame front in relation to the position of the piston in its stroke.

Too late and the expansion of the flame front in the cylinder fails to add any increase into accelerating the piston/crank.
Too early, the frame front acts as a barrier thus slowing the piston..
Just right, then the expanding flame front and charge will push/accelerate the piston, thus producing power.

It's a balance of electrics and charge. My theory is that you are not getting enough charge into the cylinder at high RPM.
Knowing the size of the transfers - I think this is the source of the problem....

Note, I'm using the term flame front loosely (expanding gas, explosive energy blablabla)...

The ringing is an interesting by-product of this me thinks....
I did say two cent worth...

I would love to see the transfers opened up another 25-50% of the available spare space. I bet you will see an improvement. If not then you can laugh at me even more than you currently do :)

[mr bucketracer]

This is rs reed v kr318566

[seymour14]

This is rs reed v kr318566

Did Regan ever blend (or chamfer) those intake ports at the base? I think that is an obvious thing to do next...

Was also wondering which of the two exhaust port stubs you mounted in the end. The blended/tapered one or the 'snub nose' one. Was hoping sometime to do a direct comparison of the two and see the results, intention then to make one that brings the most desirable result. I suspect a compromise on the two.

[FastFred]

This is rs reed v kr318566

Very interesting but which trace is the RS reed?

[mr bucketracer]

Did Regan ever blend (or chamfer) those intake ports at the base? I think that is an obvious thing to do next...

Was also wondering which of the two exhaust port stubs you mounted in the end. The blended/tapered one or the 'snub nose' one. Was hoping sometime to do a direct comparison of the two and see the results, intention then to make one that brings the most desirable result. I suspect a compromise on the two.exhaust port stubs would be good to try the other

[mr bucketracer]

Very interesting but which trace is the RS reed?the green , we should try it again and rejet , got a oxgen sencer for the dyno now so should hook it up some time

[TALLIS]

Gees this thread is getting technical.... remember boys, round two is this weekend. Don't push it too hard or Regan will be on the old smoke machine.... I know he would love that :sick:

[husaberg]

This is rs reed v


Robinson reeds mods tension etc
318585
Bear in mind, (as far as i am aware) a CR125 VF3 Reed valve is worth a HP on a RS125.

[seymour14]

Gees this thread is getting technical.... remember boys, round two is this weekend. Don't push it too hard or Regan will be on the old smoke machine.... I know he would love that :sick:

I think it will probably venture out at this stage as it stands (weather playing its part would be appreciated too).

Making a little spacer this morning, it may be the final nail in the coffin to pushing this over the "impossible" barrier.

[mr bucketracer]

AF metre . Works realy well

[Bert]

AF metre . Works realy well

Apparently 14.7 isn't the magic number for peak power.. 12.6
Need to redraw the wall graph.


For install, this is worthy of reading
http://wbo2.com/lsu/LsuInstal.pdf

[mr bucketracer]

Apparently 14.7 isn't the magic number for peak power.. 12.6
Need to redraw the wall graph.


For install, this is worthy of reading
http://wbo2.com/lsu/LsuInstal.pdfthats good as my bike is at that now;)

[husaberg]

Apparently 14.7 isn't the magic number for peak power.. 12.6
Need to redraw the wall graph.


For install, this is worthy of reading
http://wbo2.com/lsu/LsuInstal.pdf

Yamaha did some papers 20% rich over the correct mixture, You will get a higher flash reading at STORG but it will fade after onlya few seconds. (THis is all air coooled tech)
20% rich will still fade, only less so. 2 stroke air cooled are partially petrol cooled.
I have posted the paper on ESE (i think?) and robinsons, Camerons and maybe jennings take on it as well.


Yamaha during the sixties found a correctly fuelled air cooled engine HP fell from 30 cold to 23 HP when tested hot.
Where as a over rich mixtured one began with only 27 yet when hot still made 25hp.
Of course the figures were not as good as a water cooled ones lesser power fade.

[Bert]

thats good as my bike is at that now;)

So it looks like mine could be a little richer.
Have a read of the PDF it does talk about twostroke positions.
Somewhere in ESE they talk about sensor placement and further tricks.

[richban]

Apparently 14.7 isn't the magic number for peak power.. 12.6
Need to redraw the wall graph.


For install, this is worthy of reading
http://wbo2.com/lsu/LsuInstal.pdf

Holy god no. 14.7 on a 4 stroke single? Air cooled? 12.8 at peak toque should be your happy place. If it goes anywhere past 13 at peak power you could be getting things quite hot. Best way to use them is to have it data logged along side the toque curve. Really easy to see fuelling issues then.

[Bert]

Holy god no. 14.7 on a 4 stroke single? Air cooled? 12.8 at peak toque should be your happy place. If it goes anywhere past 13 at peak power you could be getting things quite hot. Best way to use them is to have it data logged along side the toque curve. Really easy to see fuelling issues then.

Ok a lot to learn then...
Scott has upgraded the dyno with a AF kit, works very well. Just a case of ignoring everything that Google has to say and sit down and learn things correctly.

[richban]

Ok a lot to learn then...
Scott has upgraded the dyno with a AF kit, works very well. Just a case of ignoring everything that Google has to say and sit down and learn things correctly.


I think 12.8 was what I used to work to on my old FXR. All engines are different of course fuel, and ignition timing will have an effect. But 12.5 to 12.8 on an air cooled was good running av with quite a lot of ignition at peak. Water cooled 13.2 ish safe. Just remember to heat the probe for quite a while before using it. Or it will not last long. And Avgas will kill it quicker, 2 stroke will kill it even quicker. Good tools to tell yah what is happening. Also in a single you have to watch out for exhaust reversion. Looks like really rich all of a sudden on the AF. You go chasing jetting only to find its the pipe that is causing it.

[Bert]

I think 12.8 was what I used to work to on my old FXR. All engines are different of course fuel, and ignition timing will have an effect. But 12.5 to 12.8 on an air cooled was good running av with quite a lot of ignition at peak. Water cooled 13.2 ish safe. Just remember to heat the probe for quite a while before using it. Or it will not last long. And Avgas will kill it quicker, 2 stroke will kill it even quicker. Good tools to tell yah what is happening. Also in a single you have to watch out for exhaust reversion. Looks like really rich all of a sudden on the AF. You go chasing jetting only to find its the pipe that is causing it.

Cool, now for the first question. What is the optimum distance for the probe?


Future reference, standard wiring colours.
http://ricksfreeautorepairadvice.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/4-wire-O2-sensor-colors.jpg

[mr bucketracer]

Seems my bike staying rich at the top end as well. May try my old pipe , just cheaked rich's dyno chart and not far of the top end 12.8 to 13 from 10 to 13000 , cooler in the shed today so want to see the air changes

[Bert]

Seems my bike staying rich at the top end as well. May try my old pipe , just cheaked rich's dyno chart and not far of the top end 12.8 to 13 from 10 to 13000 , cooler in the shed today so want to see the air changes

All very interesting.
Well I'll do my man chores and finish the wiring and pop back up.

[mr bucketracer]

Got the stickers on .nealy time to race318651

[jasonu]

Got the stickers on .nealy time to race318651

Looks shit hot.
What does bridgestone give you for advertising them?

[mr bucketracer]

Looks shit hot.
What does bridgestone give you for advertising them?a lolly pop at the track if i'm lucky

[Bert]

Looks shit hot.
What does bridgestone give you for advertising them?


a lolly pop at the track if i'm lucky

Don't you run dunlops??:innocent:

[richban]

Got the stickers on .nealy time to race318651


Me thinks she will be a handful. A fun handful I am sure. You out for summer series at manfield. Might come up for that.

[mr bucketracer]

Me thinks she will be a handful. A fun handful I am sure. You out for summer series at manfield. Might come up for that.i did something cleaver to stop it been a handful. hope it works (-:

[mr bucketracer]

first go at loading a video .hope it works ,how do you make the screen on here , still loading . tam race 1 A grade
https://youtu.be/xKDeYTDpFQQ

[TALLIS]

Definitely a mixed bag weekend, at least the wet qualifying gave us a chance off the front against the lightweights. Those pesky little two stokes were flying again!

[F5 Dave]

Oh dear,what did Regan do to it?

[seymour14]

Oh dear,what did Regan do to it?

Seems like the piston lunched itself. Too much power I need to de-tune it.

[mr bucketracer]

will see if i can edit (cut) the next race as carmers was left on

[Bert]

Definitely a mixed bag weekend, at least the wet qualifying gave us a chance off the front against the lightweights. Those pesky little two stokes were flying again!

It was great racing to watch, freight train at the front. Any errors and one would loose two positions.

Great show...

[mr bucketracer]

It was great racing to watch, freight train at the front. Any errors and one would loose two positions.

Great show...Have you got my phone in your car?

[mr bucketracer]

will see if i can edit (cut) the next race as carmers was left ondid it but no sound

[mr bucketracer]

race 3 , kerry going to do 2 as computer is leaveing the nice sound of a 4 stroke out:devil2:
https://youtu.be/Ez-0gkrCQWwmy bike is slow

[mr bucketracer]

http://www.mylaps.com/en/events/1231427mixed results

[seymour14]

Hope this is the right one. Race two. Run over Pumba...:nono:


https://youtu.be/f6RUKK88pYM

[mr bucketracer]

Hope this is the right one. Race two. Run over Pumba...:nono:


https://youtu.be/f6RUKK88pYMthe hole thing has put a cloud over me , happens so fast , aways taken pride in nice overtaking with big gaps. if this type of thing happens again i will think if i should carry on with with sport. :brick:

[richban]

the hole thing has put a cloud over me , happens so fast , aways taken pride in nice overtaking with big gaps. if this type of thing happens again i will think if i should carry on with with sport. :brick:


I know how you feel. It sucks when you take someone out. Its racing and you did not mean to do it. Don't take it to hard.

[seymour14]

the hole thing has put a cloud over me , happens so fast , aways taken pride in nice overtaking with big gaps. if this type of thing happens again i will think if i should carry on with with sport. :brick:

Stick with the sidecar, exchanging paintwork is how we try out new colour schemes...;)

[Pumba]

the hole thing has put a cloud over me , happens so fast , aways taken pride in nice overtaking with big gaps. if this type of thing happens again i will think if i should carry on with with sport. :brick:

Mate I am not exactly innocent in this space myself so understand how it can happen. At the end of the day it was a racing incident, and as someone who you have overtaken a number of times your passes are always clean.

Please dont dwell on it, just enjoy the racing.

[jasonu]

the hole thing has put a cloud over me , happens so fast , aways taken pride in nice overtaking with big gaps. if this type of thing happens again i will think if i should carry on with with sport. :brick:

I see the starter has his samoan safety boots on...

[jasonu]

the hole thing has put a cloud over me , happens so fast , aways taken pride in nice overtaking with big gaps. if this type of thing happens again i will think if i should carry on with with sport. :brick:

It looked like a fair move to me although I thought you were a little too patient. It is hard to know what to do sometimes, especially if your competition is right up your date...
Do you guys have passing flags and are they mentioned in every riders brief???? I didn't see any in the video.

In this weeks AMA SX this is what happened to a known dirty rider who is constantly putting shitty moves on others.
http://racerxonline.com/2016/01/10/video-weston-peick-punches-vince-friese

[cotswold]

It looked like a fair move to me although I thought you were a little too patient. It is hard to know what to do sometimes, especially if your competition is right up your date...
Do you guys have passing flags and are they mentioned in every riders brief???? I didn't see any in the video.

In this weeks AMA SX this is what happened to a known dirty rider who is constantly putting shitty moves on others.
http://racerxonline.com/2016/01/10/video-weston-peick-punches-vince-friese

yes the blue flag was shown in plenty of time,

[cotswold]

Mate I am not exactly innocent in this space myself so understand how it can happen. At the end of the day it was a racing incident, and as someone who you have overtaken a number of times your passes are always clean.

Please dont dwell on it, just enjoy the racing.

good man Carl :clap:

You were riding well all weekend and it was an unfortunate racing incident, unpleasant but great that neither of you were hurt too badly

[mr bucketracer]

thanks guys , been alot happing , i should slow down from projects and injoy the racing , i injoy the fun after the racing as we all do (-; , think i may just race the sidecar at the gp and a play on my bike but not the gp as the racing is so dam good to watch, ok maybe if it rained :baby:lol

[mr bucketracer]

This is the 300 with first time running the egt and oxgen sencer318765the egt is only hitting 400c , looks like it running very rich at the top going of the oxgen senser , what do you think

[richban]

This is the 300 with first time running the egt and oxgen sencer318765the egt is only hitting 400c , looks like it running very rich at the top going of the oxgen senser , what do you think

Total death trap. ha ha.


But seriously looks like there is still lots to gain in the middle. I really think it would be hard to ride on track. I think mine makes around 60 at 8.5k. If you jet it to around 450 500c on the dyno you should be close for on track. Where is the needle sitting?

[mr bucketracer]

Total death trap. ha ha.


But seriously looks like there is still lots to gain in the middle. I really think it would be hard to ride on track. I think mine makes around 60 at 8.5k. If you jet it to around 450 500c on the dyno you should be close for on track. Where is the needle sitting?the needle is in the middle , i did play with the power valves which made around 7 hp more in the middle but left the a big step back to the topend power , did not want to play with power valves untill i got a got reading from the AF , think iv been mixed up and guessing you guys have the egts set at FH ?

[kel]

looks like it running very rich at the top going of the oxgen senser , what do you think
Don't 2 strokes give odd readings due to unburnt charge blowing out the exhaust port? Won't they always read rich even when jetted correctly?

[husaberg]

the needle is in the middle , i did play with the power valves which made around 7 hp more in the middle but left the a big step back to the topend power , did not want to play with power valves untill i got a got reading from the AF , think iv been mixed up and guessing you guys have the egts set at FH ?

Hey scott I posted a Gore write up yesterday have a read of the Stuff about the late model CR125 it pretty interesting how he says to increase the low end output of the late models.
He says they don't have enough blowdown with the valve shut at lower revs.

www.eric-gorr.com/images/documents/HondaCRModelTuningTips.pdf

[richban]

the needle is in the middle , i did play with the power valves which made around 7 hp more in the middle but left the a big step back to the topend power , did not want to play with power valves untill i got a got reading from the AF , think iv been mixed up and guessing you guys have the egts set at FH ?

Yeah I use Fahrenheit. 1150 on the track any more and you are asking for trouble. 900 to 950 on dyno should put you close to that 1150 for the track. 1200 will kill the pistons we have. Never used an AF on a 2 stroke. I would just go off egt on the smoker. Also my carbs are smaller than everyones else's. they are more like 37mm than 38. We are thinking that is why mine is down at the top end but fat as in the middle. Will have to test that soon.

[mr bucketracer]

Don't 2 strokes give odd readings due to unburnt charge blowing out the exhaust port? Won't they always read rich even when jetted correctly?hoping seen the probe is new and set high in the exhaurt it should give some pritty good reading , seems close going of the egt's , will not run the O/S on the track just the dyno

[mr bucketracer]

Hey scott I posted a Gore write up yesterday have a read of the Stuff about the late model CR125 it pretty interesting how he says to increase the low end output of the late models.
He says they don't have enough blowdown with the valve shut at lower revs.

www.eric-gorr.com/images/documents/HondaCRModelTuningTips.pdfthanks will look at that

[mr bucketracer]

Yeah I use Fahrenheit. 1150 on the track any more and you are asking for trouble. 900 to 950 on dyno should put you close to that 1150 for the track. 1200 will kill the pistons we have. Never used an AF on a 2 stroke. I would just go off egt on the smoker. Also my carbs are smaller than everyones else's. they are more like 37mm than 38. We are thinking that is why mine is down at the top end but fat as in the middle. Will have to test that soon.the odd run i have of yours does pull up a little higher than mine in the mide range when i had the power valves opening slower for mid range torque but that was early days when your top end hp was down, what i like about these 2 strokes is when you do a change you see it ;)

[richban]

what i like about these 2 strokes is when you do a change you see it ;)

Yeah for sure. You riding it this weekend?

[Bert]

This is the 300 with first time running the egt and oxgen sencer318765the egt is only hitting 400c , looks like it running very rich at the top going of the oxgen senser , what do you think

Can you post a picture of the ignitech servo map as well?

[mr bucketracer]

Yeah for sure. You riding it this weekend?i wanted to , realy need that 1 day friday test day as to much money in the engine to risk a blow up , maybe on saterday if i.m happy

[mr bucketracer]

Can you post a picture of the ignitech servo map as well?ok when i lock up

[husaberg]

thanks will look at that

Another thing I picked up was the Works and the kit stuff has the pivot points for the RC valve further away from the piston edge so the arc they travel keeps it closer to the piston throughout its entire travel.

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[mr bucketracer]

318773will copy tomorrow and show what made more toouqe but in a nut shell dont open so fast

[mr bucketracer]

Looks like the power valve should stay open longer going of that , 1 run dyno would or should not worry it as power valve would be to slow to close at that little rpm at the end

[richban]

318773will copy tomorrow and show what made more toouqe but in a nut shell dont open so fast

That looks a little different. Did you try a run with fully shut (see what rpm it starts to full over) and then fully open power valves (see what rpm it starts to pick up). That should give you a guide as to when they want to open and shut. Also check the hysteresis number. I think mine is 200. Nice and smooth. My gut says make a very simple power valve curve. Straight line from when it wants to start opening to fully open and leave it fully open. Then lean the needles 1 clip each. Looks to be fully open to soon from memory. I will check mine but as we know they are all different. Well actually I think Mine Glens and Richards are all the same now. I am sure those changes will tell you somthing. Not sure if it will help:shifty:

[mr bucketracer]

That looks a little different. Did you try a run with fully shut (see what rpm it starts to full over) and then fully open power valves (see what rpm it starts to pick up). That should give you a guide as to when they want to open and shut. Also check the hysteresis number. I think mine is 200. Nice and smooth. My gut says make a very simple power valve curve. Straight line from when it wants to start opening to fully open and leave it fully open. Then lean the needles 1 clip each. Looks to be fully open to soon from memory. I will check mine but as we know they are all different. Well actually I think Mine Glens and Richards are all the same now. I am sure those changes will tell you somthing. Not sure if it will help:shifty:don't know if thats glens curve or ingeteck curve , it was upside down when we got it like the cables in the power valve were run the other way around, agree what your saying sounds the right way to set it up but after just riding it down the road for the first time do i want more torque lol:sweatdrop

[Sketchy_Racer]

don't know if thats glens curve or ingeteck curve , it was upside down when we got it like the cables in the power valve were run the other way around, agree what your saying sounds the right way to set it up but after just riding it down the road for the first time do i want more torque lol:sweatdrop

Yeah my power valve map is arse about face because of my dodgy wiring loom.

[richban]

but after just riding it down the road for the first time do i want more torque lol:sweatdrop



HA ha. Yeah I can imagine its a little exciting down your road. Just triple the power of the bucket with about the same weight. They always seam silly on the road. Once you have all that track in front of you she will feel gutless.:sweatdrop

[mr bucketracer]

HA ha. Yeah I can imagine its a little exciting down your road. Just triple the power of the bucket with about the same weight. They always seam silly on the road. Once you have all that track in front of you she will feel gutless.:sweatdropalways do lol
https://youtu.be/llykuVuMuiY

[richban]

always do lol
https://youtu.be/llykuVuMuiY

he he he. Bogan!

[mr bucketracer]

now i can load videos this next one has only taken 4 years to load gp taupo (if it works) 18hp fxr150 first race along side brents tzr100 .:banana:

[mr bucketracer]

https://youtu.be/_-mLeH7qYZE
does it work , no point loading the end as video got misty . oh yes .kerry , bert , and think mr ban could not pull this off lol

[timg]

does it work , no point loading the end as video got misty . oh yes .kerry , bert , and think mr ban could not pull this off lol That was an awesome weekend. Finished 10th. Red FXR #7 was my first FXR. Wallace did a great job on that engine. Wish I'd never sold it:brick:

[mr bucketracer]

That was an awesome weekend. Finished 10th. Red FXR #7 was my first FXR. Wallace did a great job on that engine. Wish I'd never sold it:brick:i see it only resold a month or so back

[seymour14]

The old man gets a favour for once, a bit of CNC bling for an old Rover motorcycle.

[timg]

i see it only resold a month or so back Yeah, saw it come up. Was very tempted. If only I had the spare $'s :(

[Bert]

The old man gets a favour for once, a bit of CNC bling for an old Rover motorcycle.

Looks great Kerry, Dave will be happy.

Something a little different
http://www.mybikeproject.com/gary-nixon-kawasaki-h2-race-bike-replica-300-ninja-project/

[Bert]

Hi All,
Methven Mountain Thunder Street Race is all go for 2016. Easter Sat ( 26th of March)

Entry forms and supp regs below.

Cheers
CAMS


Great Mountain Thunder site, CAMS.

http://www.mountainthunder.co.nz/

Time enough to plan.
Just can't recall dates of the GP etc...

[seymour14]

I will ring you after 7pm Brent, going to have light refreshments first.

And show Scott the new death star...:sunny:

[TALLIS]

Finally some progress, another couple of solid days and it will be running. Then the task of getting the fairings to fit.... then I suppose I'll have to ride the thing.

[mr bucketracer]

Finally some progress, another couple of solid days and it will be running. Then the task of getting the fairings to fit.... then I suppose I'll have to ride the thing.cheater bike :eek: hit the 31 with regan bucket ,made it safer in the process

[TALLIS]

cheater bike :eek: hit the 31 with regan bucket ,made it safer in the process

God dam two strokes, dose that mean we all need to take the easy way out and get one..... lighter and more powerful, just seems wrong lol

[mr bucketracer]

God dam two strokes, dose that mean we all need to take the easy way out and get one..... lighter and more powerful, just seems wrong lolit dose seem that way , more to come me thinks , ese boys thread going around in circles as we make things happen (-; not rob of corse but man them over seas boys go on about nothing (-;

[mr bucketracer]

I will ring you after 7pm Brent, going to have light refreshments first.

And show Scott the new death star...:sunny:is my death star finshed

[Bert]

is my death star finshed

Is my winter engine finished :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

[seymour14]

is my death star finshed

Pretty much, barrel ready to be ported, sleeve finished, air cooled fins done, just doing my curved finger inlet plate and she's another goer...:2thumbsup

[TZ350]

.

I love these special 2T team GPR engines.

I hear there are serious moves being made to limit the Bucket arms race, with the supposed aim of keeping Buckets safe!!!!!! cheap and I suppose the FXR150 and other 4T's relevant, level playing field and all that.

I fear it may be the beginning of Buckets becoming just a smaller capacity version of the other technically limited class's, boring as bat shit.

[seymour14]

.

I love these special 2T team GPR engines.

I hear there are serious moves being made to limit the Bucket arms race, with the supposed aim of keeping Buckets safe!!!!!! cheap and I suppose the FXR150 and other 4T's relevant, level playing field and all that.

I fear it may be the beginning of Buckets becoming just a smaller capacity version of the other technically limited class's, boring as bat shit.

Yeah, its a tough one. Scott was gutted years ago when the SV's entered F3, just made a simple way to kick bikes that were developed to their upmost. You can just buy a potentially winning bike from your local dealer...

Most of the top end bikes of both types are well developed except for a certain type of 2t that pisses all over everyone to date and is pretty much bought off the shelf to those specs. That is where the problem is. Either everything else has to move up (and it becomes an arms race), or better still, the one type of engine gets limited back somehow.

Trouble is now, we may be potentially bringing another spanner in the works with us. Difference being, just like your stuff TZ, it has been a lot of effort and is based on a legit commuter bike. I hope things don't change much to be quite honest, the mix is almost right already.

[jasonu]

.

I love these special 2T team GPR engines.

I hear there are serious moves being made to limit the Bucket arms race, .

Which fuckwit is proposing that rubbish?

[husaberg]

Yeah, its a tough one. Scott was gutted years ago when the SV's entered F3, just made a simple way to kick bikes that were developed to their upmost. You can just buy a potentially winning bike from your local dealer...

Most of the top end bikes of both types are well developed except for a certain type of 2t that pisses all over everyone to date and is pretty much bought off the shelf to those specs. That is where the problem is. Either everything else has to move up (and it becomes an arms race), or better still, the one type of engine gets limited back somehow.

Trouble is now, we may be potentially bringing another spanner in the works with us. Difference being, just like your stuff TZ, it has been a lot of effort and is based on a legit commuter bike. I hope things don't change much to be quite honest, the mix is almost right already.

The way I see it, that one bike is only 100 HP there is a much higher potential untapped in another legal 2T powerplant. A powerplant that everyone seems to ignore.
319179likely because of how much money it would cost to do it.
The Popularity of F3, was always I feel based on its diversity and the number of options and the free nature of the rules.
With regards to the Sv650's a lot of people felt the same way about FXR's but they turned into a boon for the class as it essentially lifted the bar as well as giving non tuners a potentially competitive mount.

[TZ350]

Which fuckwit is proposing that rubbish?

I will start a new thread about it so we don't clutter the GPR thread.

[seymour14]

Sorry Husa, I was referring to Nathaniel's bike in buckets. Not F3, forgot to put the relevant connection!

Not knocking the money side, but it stifles innovation when something can be bought off the shelf that does the business easily. And the commuter part of the scenario has been stretched way out of context, maybe a percentage quota is needed.

ie... You can have race wheels, or race forks, or race frame, or the derbi race engine that is almost identical to its commuter counterpart. But you just can't have it all or its not based remotely on a commuter bike.

Food for thought. TZ's idea of another thread would allow us all to put in different viewpoints, even if what we are doing with our engines is now over the top! Hence the idea of a proportion of the bike being commuter and a proportion being racey parts. Does give people the chance to pick their train of thought and attack strategy differently from others.

[husaberg]

Sorry Husa, I was referring to Nathaniel's bike in buckets. Not F3, forgot to put the relevant connection!

Not knocking the money side, but it stifles innovation when something can be bought off the shelf that does the business easily. And the commuter part of the scenario has been stretched way out of context, maybe a percentage quota is needed.

ie... You can have race wheels, or race forks, or race frame, or the derbi race engine that is almost identical to its commuter counterpart. But you just can't have it all or its not based remotely on a commuter bike.

Food for thought. TZ's idea of another thread would allow us all to put in different viewpoints, even if what we are doing with our engines is now over the top! Hence the idea of a proportion of the bike being commuter and a proportion being racey parts. Does give people the chance to pick their train of thought and attack strategy differently from others.

Sorry I might have got the wrong end, Is it that Derbi really that dominate, or is it more just a better combo with the rider capable of consistently winning on anything.
The ability to go OTT on a budget is the best bit.
I can't remember when it was or where exactly (but likely Paeroa or Wanganui in about 95) but Rob Holden mounted on a very std Husky 500 mx bike (with just I think smaller wheels) was consistently beating Rodney O'Connor on a $50,000 plus Supermono.

Even though I have a RS frame (or two) I never actually personally thought they should be legal or the suspension or wheels either. Even though there was nothing ever in the rules to prevent them. (no one I guess at the time considered anyone would ever do it) The original rules in the old ACU days actually excluded all factory hop up parts like off the shelf cams and pistons. I think the words were factory competition hop up engine parts.

[TALLIS]

So what we possibly need is; a super stock class (road bike based bikes) and Super Buckets (Same rules as there are now)
Safety? Fuck me, you want safe, go play table tennis

[seymour14]

Since I started the 110cc water cooled project in the interests of limiting the arms race I have been told that people are looking at changing the rules again but in a way that does not disadvantage the existing water cooled bikes.

That might be the 24mm carb for water cooled versus open carb for air cooled perhaps? (I say this because the air cooled ones do fall off after a few laps, the water cooled don't have the same problem...)

I would then suggest that FXR's might need a capacity change to cope as well. The 25hp mark seems to be there good limit at the moment, the two strokes have potential for a little bit more. But, I think people would be alright with that as there is a little more potential hazard for the two stroke and this must be shown in the capacity differences in there slight favour.

Have always looked fondly at the F5, there being a two to one ratio (100's versus 50's), and even then, people for obvious reasons will opt for the 50's. Sorry Henk and me, we are a little different...

[TZ350]

The ability to go OTT on a budget is the best bit.

It is what I love about Buckets too....

[husaberg]

That might be the 24mm carb for water cooled versus open carb for air cooled perhaps?

I would then suggest that FXR's might need a capacity change to cope as well. The 25hp mark seems to be there good limit at the moment, the two strokes have potential for a little bit more. But, I think people would be alright with that as there is a little more potential hazard for the two stroke and this must be shown in the capacity differences in there slight favour.

Have always looked fondly at the F5, there being a two to one ratio (100's versus 50's), and even then, people for obvious reasons will opt for the 50's. Sorry Henk and me, we are a little different...

The 2x limit has effectively killed 2t's in MX. Pretty sure the upper limit for a 150 4t using gp derived tuning the same as a 2t has is also about 30HP.
That said increased Hp doesn't always lead to decreased lap times. A broader power spread and ease of riding and reliability is likely worth more on the predominately tight tracks used.
If Speedpro ever gets the super or turbo charged 4T twin spooling with decent boost it will decemate the 2ts on HP.

[seymour14]

So what we possibly need is; a super stock class (road bike based bikes) and Super Buckets (Same rules as there are now)
Safety? Fuck me, you want safe, go play table tennis

Maybe. Super Stock = Commuter bikes with or without innovation. No race parts.

Super Buckets, only the engine is commuter based, with capacity and carb rules for types.

[mr bucketracer]

Maybe. Super Stock = Commuter bikes with or without innovation. No race parts.

Super Buckets, only the engine is commuter based, with capacity and carb rules for types.superbuckets mx based engine or it takes all the hard work of what i have done away

[richban]

Yeah, its a tough one. Scott was gutted years ago when the SV's entered F3, just made a simple way to kick bikes that were developed to their upmost. You can just buy a potentially winning bike from your local dealer...

Most of the top end bikes of both types are well developed except for a certain type of 2t that pisses all over everyone to date and is pretty much bought off the shelf to those specs. That is where the problem is. Either everything else has to move up (and it becomes an arms race), or better still, the one type of engine gets limited back somehow.

Trouble is now, we may be potentially bringing another spanner in the works with us. Difference being, just like your stuff TZ, it has been a lot of effort and is based on a legit commuter bike. I hope things don't change much to be quite honest, the mix is almost right already.

Wow! Really!

Progress is progress man. If you don't evolve you die. If all the cry babies took there own personal agenda out of the equation and just looked at what would be good for the sport, we would be much better off. I see buckets as a great class for young kids to learn some proper track riding skills and race craft. As far as the old man cry babies with chip's on there shoulders, well I don't really give a fuck. I have always been a fan of changing the rules to make it a capacity limited open class. Everything open except the engine capacity for each engine type. Try tell me that would limite dev. Fuck no! Look at freetech 50cc racing. But I am sure people would still find a way to cry about it. :msn-wink:

Don't knock Nat or belittle his results. If he was riding with a 24hp FXR engine in that frame he would still smoke everyone.

Ah thats better. Love a good rant.:rolleyes:

[mr bucketracer]

Sorry I might have got the wrong end, Is it that Derbi really that dominate, or is it more just a better combo with the rider capable of consistently winning on anything.
The ability to go OTT on a budget is the best bit.
I can't remember when it was or where exactly (but likely Paeroa or Wanganui in about 95) but Rob Holden mounted on a very std Husky 500 mx bike (with just I think smaller wheels) was consistently beating Rodney O'Connor on a $50,000 plus Supermono.

Even though I have a RS frame (or two) I never actually personally thought they should be legal or the suspension or wheels either. Even though there was nothing ever in the rules to prevent them. (no one I guess at the time considered anyone would ever do it) The original rules in the old ACU days actually excluded all factory hop up parts like off the shelf cams and pistons. I think the words were factory competition hop up engine parts.yes the derbi is , 24 hp that weighs bugger all and a rider that only can over take in a stright line ( hate to say it ) seen him past 2 fast 2 strokes on a small straght easy ! ask regan .rs bike engine just about goes straght in with back engine mount changed ( a engine that realy can just copy )! of race parts . youth on his side . the old days v today , bikes on average faster , from A to B smaller tracks , less time to breath , tire = more corner speed , takes it out of you . what do you do ! try do what we are trying ? still old man regan lol , do nz superbikes do 40 lap for there gp?

[seymour14]

Wow! Really!

Progress is progress man. If you don't evolve you die. If all the cry babies took there own personal agenda out of the equation and just looked at what would be good for the sport, we would be much better off. I see buckets as a great class for young kids to learn some proper track riding skills and race craft. As far as the old man cry babies with chip's on there shoulders, well I don't really give a fuck. I have always been a fan of changing the rules to make it a capacity limited open class. Everything open except the engine capacity for each engine type. Try tell me that would limite dev. Fuck no! Look at freetech 50cc racing. But I am sure people would still find a way to cry about it. :msn-wink:

Don't knock Nat or belittle his results. If he was riding with a 24hp FXR engine in that frame he would still smoke everyone.

Ah thats better. Love a good rant.:rolleyes:

No worries Rich, you need to get it out occasionally. Sometimes progress is the art of going backwards in this country! That's why I prefer the sidecars, just a bit of competitive fun without the agendas and people who want to change rules to suit. Next thing you know some vindictive prick might try and get air cooled buckets banned!

[richban]

No worries Rich, you need to get it out occasionally. Sometimes progress is the art of going backwards in this country! That's why I prefer the sidecars, just a bit of competitive fun without the agendas and people who want to change rules to suit. Next thing you know some vindictive prick might try and get air cooled buckets banned!

Ha ha well I was just writing my rule change submission. All fancy air-cooled 2 strokes that make good power should be dragged through the street naked behind a tracker, covered in pit tar and set alight. I don't have anything to gain by that I promise. Unless of course I can please have a ride one day.:sweatdrop

[Yow Ling]

Wow! Really!

Progress is progress man. If you don't evolve you die. If all the cry babies took there own personal agenda out of the equation and just looked at what would be good for the sport, we would be much better off. I see buckets as a great class for young kids to learn some proper track riding skills and race craft. As far as the old man cry babies with chip's on there shoulders, well I don't really give a fuck. I have always been a fan of changing the rules to make it a capacity limited open class. Everything open except the engine capacity for each engine type. Try tell me that would limite dev. Fuck no! Look at freetech 50cc racing. But I am sure people would still find a way to cry about it. :msn-wink:

Don't knock Nat or belittle his results. If he was riding with a 24hp FXR engine in that frame he would still smoke everyone.

Ah thats better. Love a good rant.:rolleyes:


Yup , I not going to argue with that

[richban]

I am quite keen on starting a Freetech 50 moment. I know one guy in AK that might be keen. So thats 2. You boys want to play? No more than 50cc no more than 6 gears.

[Grumph]

The way I see it, that one bike is only 100 HP there is a much higher potential untapped in another legal 2T powerplant. A powerplant that everyone seems to ignore.
319179likely because of how much money it would cost to do it.
The Popularity of F3, was always I feel based on its diversity and the number of options and the free nature of the rules.
With regards to the Sv650's a lot of people felt the same way about FXR's but they turned into a boon for the class as it essentially lifted the bar as well as giving non tuners a potentially competitive mount.

That motor is not used for F3 Husa as it's a small 500 so heavy and bulky. No aftermarket modern barrels available either - and the OE ain't that flash. Sell you two barrels if you want...
Yes, F3 was all about diversity - helped by open fuel which made some weird shit competitive.
To keep buckets that diverse should be the aim. trouble is you've got two schools of bucket racing developing, north and south. Which seems to divide naturally into 2T and 4T...
If anyone is stirring about capacities etc it's not me. i reckon the existing setup works. If it ain't broke don't fix it. Lets see the winning 2t's from the short tracks make the transition to bigger ones before changing anything.

[seymour14]

Ha ha well I was just writing my rule change submission. All fancy air-cooled 2 strokes that make good power should be dragged through the street naked behind a tracker, covered in pit tar and set alight. I don't have anything to gain by that I promise. Unless of course I can please have a ride one day.:sweatdrop

All good, Regan's good like that, he will probably lend it out after the GP (not so sure about before!).

[husaberg]

That motor is not used for F3 Husa as it's a small 500 so heavy and bulky. No aftermarket modern barrels available either - and the OE ain't that flash. Sell you two barrels if you want...
Yes, F3 was all about diversity - helped by open fuel which made some weird shit competitive.
To keep buckets that diverse should be the aim. trouble is you've got two schools of bucket racing developing, north and south. Which seems to divide naturally into 2T and 4T...
If anyone is stirring about capacities etc it's not me. i reckon the existing setup works. If it ain't broke don't fix it. Lets see the winning 2t's from the short tracks make the transition to bigger ones before changing anything.

Neil was making up some modern RG cylinders from memory, 500 ones though
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but not an issue although pistons are ,the engine is sub 40KG, so much less heavy and bulky some some others.
the fact it was designed as a 500 I see as a bonus as it has more room for modern transfers and as a square stroke as a 400.
What a NC30 engine weigh? They are lumpy buggars.
I feel the same re the rest.

[TALLIS]

No more than 50cc no more than 6 gears.

Why with all the rules?

[TALLIS]

trouble is you've got two schools of bucket racing developing, north and south. Which seems to divide naturally into 2T and 4T...
If anyone is stirring about capacities etc it's not me. i reckon the existing setup works. If it ain't broke don't fix it. Lets see the winning 2t's from the short tracks make the transition to bigger ones before changing anything.

The rules are currently the same, why would they change if a N.I. bike headed south and win or vice versa? Basically, to be at the pointy end of racing your not going to be able to turn up on a stock fxr and win. Why change the rules to dumb it down? There is nothing stopping anyone building a bike witch is competitive, or to copy what someone else has built. And if you think it all should cost a couple of hundred dollars......

[richban]

Why with all the rules?

I know I know. Hard to really nut out. What I would suggest is everyone that is unclear on the rules put, lets say a grand into my bank account and I will come explain it. With further seminars, at additional cost I must add and one on one tuition. I think we could make it work. :msn-wink:

[F5 Dave]

Sorry Husa, I was referring to Nathaniel's bike in buckets. Not F3, forgot to put the relevant connection!

Not knocking the money side, but it stifles innovation when something can be bought off the shelf that does the business easily. And the commuter part of the scenario has been stretched way out of context, maybe a percentage quota is needed.

ie... You can have race wheels, or race forks, or race frame, or the derbi race engine that is almost identical to its commuter counterpart. But you just can't have it all or its not based remotely on a commuter bike.

Food for thought. TZ's idea of another thread would allow us all to put in different viewpoints, even if what we are doing with our engines is now over the top! Hence the idea of a proportion of the bike being commuter and a proportion being racey parts. Does give people the chance to pick their train of thought and attack strategy differently from others.
Cmon Kerry don't be a whiny bitch, you're smarter than that. Natanial beat us all on his 21 HP bike first year. he actually preferred that to his dads 24 HP bike as it had a much better power spread. Something a 156 will always have.

And NF4 against GPR? Well I've ridden Brents when it was TZR. Shit I knew I was in trouble. It turned so much better it wasn't funny.

But I couldn't afford to buy one. My NF4 cost $500 once Bits sold off.

Natainial is at a disadvantage with an NF4. Get used to it.

[mr bucketracer]

Wow! Really!

Progress is progress man. If you don't evolve you die. If all the cry babies took there own personal agenda out of the equation and just looked at what would be good for the sport, we would be much better off. I see buckets as a great class for young kids to learn some proper track riding skills and race craft. As far as the old man cry babies with chip's on there shoulders, well I don't really give a fuck. I have always been a fan of changing the rules to make it a capacity limited open class. Everything open except the engine capacity for each engine type. Try tell me that would limite dev. Fuck no! Look at freetech 50cc racing. But I am sure people would still find a way to cry about it. :msn-wink:

Don't knock Nat or belittle his results. If he was riding with a 24hp FXR engine in that frame he would still smoke everyone.Ah thats better. Love a good rant.:rolleyes:so if you had 3 nsr 300s and the rules changed to 600 now alowed that class and made your bike worth nothing ( you would be happy ? ) fuck of you would be , and as for evolve ! it was the biggist fucken class out there

[mr bucketracer]

Cmon Kerry don't be a whiny bitch, you're smarter than that. Natanial beat us all on his 21 HP bike first year. he actually preferred that to his dads 24 HP bike as it had a much better power spread. Something a 156 will always have.

And NF4 against GPR? Well I've ridden Brents when it was TZR. Shit I knew I was in trouble. It turned so much better it wasn't funny.

But I couldn't afford to buy one. My NF4 cost $500 once Bits sold off.

Natainial is at a disadvantage with an NF4. Get used to it.brent bike only has 18 hp and that worryed you lol

[seymour14]

Cmon Kerry don't be a whiny bitch, you're smarter than that. Natanial beat us all on his 21 HP bike first year. he actually preferred that to his dads 24 HP bike as it had a much better power spread. Something a 156 will always have.

And NF4 against GPR? Well I've ridden Brents when it was TZR. Shit I knew I was in trouble. It turned so much better it wasn't funny.

But I couldn't afford to buy one. My NF4 cost $500 once Bits sold off.

Natainial is at a disadvantage with an NF4. Get used to it.

Not sure what was whiny about it. Made an observation and gave some solutions. Buckets isn't a stagnant form of racing, and I don't see why some discussion can't be had to make it more even. And this is coming from someone who has helped build a 31hp two stroke. I don't like seeing this form of racing become a benefit concert for some, would rather see it still possible for people of limited means to also figure at the top end.

It is what Buckets came from.

[mr bucketracer]

Not sure what was whiny about it. Made an observation and gave some solutions. Buckets isn't a stagnant form of racing, and I don't see why some discussion can't be had to make it more even. And this is coming from someone who has helped build a 31hp two stroke. I don't like seeing this form of racing become a benefit concert for some, would rather see it still possible for people of limited means to also figure at the top end.

It is what Buckets came from.it will blow up , its a 2 stroke (-: lol who knows but fun or was fun

[seymour14]

it will blow up , its a 2 stroke (-: lol who knows but fun or was fun

At least I will be able to toast marsh mallows over the smouldering embers.

Two stroke fuel smells nice too...

[F5 Dave]

brent bike only has 18 hp and that worryed you lol
It just handled so much better than mine, and the suspension was in another league. Fix the crazy footpeg position and clean up the jetting and I could have won on that bike. Put someone talented on it, say Sketchy in his prime, or Hamish, and I'd say they could beat Nathaniel. 18hp and all.

[mr bucketracer]

It just handled so much better than mine, and the suspension was in another league. Fix the crazy footpeg position and clean up the jetting and I could have won on that bike. Put someone talented on it, say Sketchy in his prime, or Hamish, and I'd say they could beat Nathaniel. 18hp and all.don't be so nice , i want a escuse to give this silly sport up

[F5 Dave]

You sure built a nice chassis.

I'm just glad you're not lighter.

[seymour14]

don't be so nice , i want a escuse to give this silly sport up

You want a game of golf tomorrow Scott. Just like old times, you beat me, and I fire balls back at the hole behind us...:innocent:

[speedpro]

Makes me laugh people talking about where/how buckets started. Dragging out a Steadman bucket(Jimmy still has both of his originals), or Larsen's Yamaha, and see what was done and the work involved. Jimmy completely dominated buckets when he turned up at racing on his watercooled 100 but nobody bleated about rule changes and making winning/competing more attainable for some on a budget or whatever. Pete Sales GT50 or even my old AC50. Both severely limited in comparison to modern bikes but both reasonably competitive when we ran them, even against the then 100/125s. Both 50s were reckoned to "not be in the spirit", or "will ruin bucket racing" by some. I don't think anyone who actually was involved in starting bucket racing would have a problem with where the rules are at the moment, just like they wouldn't have a problem with any bike out there.

[mr bucketracer]

Makes me laugh people talking about where/how buckets started. Dragging out a Steadman bucket(Jimmy still has both of his originals), or Larsen's Yamaha, and see what was done and the work involved. Jimmy completely dominated buckets when he turned up at racing on his watercooled 100 but nobody bleated about rule changes and making winning/competing more attainable for some on a budget or whatever. Pete Sales GT50 or even my old AC50. Both severely limited in comparison to modern bikes but both reasonably competitive when we ran them, even against the then 100/125s. Both 50s were reckoned to "not be in the spirit", or "will ruin bucket racing" by some. I don't think anyone who actually was involved in starting bucket racing would have a problem with where the rules are at the moment, just like they wouldn't have a problem with any bike out there.agree .they were more clever then

[mr bucketracer]

You want a game of golf tomorrow Scott. Just like old times, you beat me, and I fire balls back at the hole behind us...:innocent:why not , need to excape this world

[jasonu]

Yeah, its a tough one. Scott was gutted years ago when the SV's entered F3, just made a simple way to kick bikes that were developed to their upmost. You can just buy a potentially winning bike from your local dealer...

Most of the top end bikes of both types are well developed except for a certain type of 2t that pisses all over everyone to date and is pretty much bought off the shelf to those specs. That is where the problem is. Either everything else has to move up (and it becomes an arms race), or better still, the one type of engine gets limited back somehow.

Trouble is now, we may be potentially bringing another spanner in the works with us. Difference being, just like your stuff TZ, it has been a lot of effort and is based on a legit commuter bike. I hope things don't change much to be quite honest, the mix is almost right already.


Sorry Husa, I was referring to Nathaniel's bike in buckets. Not F3, forgot to put the relevant connection!

Not knocking the money side, but it stifles innovation when something can be bought off the shelf that does the business easily. And the commuter part of the scenario has been stretched way out of context, maybe a percentage quota is needed.

ie... You can have race wheels, or race forks, or race frame, or the derbi race engine that is almost identical to its commuter counterpart. But you just can't have it all or its not based remotely on a commuter bike.

Food for thought. TZ's idea of another thread would allow us all to put in different viewpoints, even if what we are doing with our engines is now over the top! Hence the idea of a proportion of the bike being commuter and a proportion being racey parts. Does give people the chance to pick their train of thought and attack strategy differently from others.


'bought off the shelf that does the business easily.' I don't think so...(read I know for a fact that is incorrect). Ask Dave Dip just how much time, effort and work goes into his bikes. The success Nathaniel has had in Buckets might also come from his top notch riding skills along with the fact he weighs the same as a tee shirt.

[mr bucketracer]

'bought off the shelf that does the business easily.' I don't think so...(read I know for a fact that is incorrect). Ask Dave Dip just how much time, effort and work goes into his bikes. The success Nathaniel has had in Buckets might also come from his top notch riding skills along with the fact he weighs the same as a tee shirt.what may be hard work for somone maybe a waik in the park for another , his bike would not suit me, as my weight will kill it. and nothing about his bike is bucket ! what most people think but don't say it .we are still going out are way to take it on as it is the bench mark, i don't give a shit what i say now days, ps jason , your bike is what i liked about buckets and that sort of thing is why i got back into it

[richban]

so if you had 3 nsr 300s and the rules changed to 600 now alowed that class and made your bike worth nothing ( you would be happy ? ) fuck of you would be , and as for evolve ! it was the biggist fucken class out there

So you had some 450's and then rules changed to allow stink old sv's. I was not racing then so don't know. But only last year Avalon was getting chased all the way to the title buy an old Kawasaki 450 4. I would be grumpy if they changed the rules to exclude my bike.

[kel]

'bought off the shelf that does the business easily.' I don't think so....
I think so. All those Derbi parts are bought off the shelf. The porting done to the aftermarket performance cylinder is absolutely minimal, and I know this for a fact!


The success Nathaniel has had in Buckets might also come from his top notch riding skills along with the fact he weighs the same as a tee shirt
Agreed. and his willingness to not follow the stewards instruction doesn't hurt either :whistle:

Long live the Derbi cup :sick:

[mr bucketracer]

So you had some 450's and then rules changed to allow stink old sv's. I was not racing then so don't know. But only last year Avalon was getting chased all the way to the title buy an old Kawasaki 450 4. I would be grumpy if they changed the rules to exclude my bike.the worst thing was at the time just about all the zxr450 chucked rods apart from andew bowel , only the later model zxrs had the heaver rods and were hard to fine , just about doubled the price of the bikes going 450 for them that can't do the work . i wanted to but did not have the money so just gave up

[timg]

Makes me laugh people talking about where/how buckets started. Dragging out a Steadman bucket(Jimmy still has both of his originals), or Larsen's Yamaha, and see what was done and the work involved. Jimmy completely dominated buckets when he turned up at racing on his watercooled 100 but nobody bleated about rule changes and making winning/competing more attainable for some on a budget or whatever. Pete Sales GT50 or even my old AC50. Both severely limited in comparison to modern bikes but both reasonably competitive when we ran them, even against the then 100/125s. Both 50s were reckoned to "not be in the spirit", or "will ruin bucket racing" by some. I don't think anyone who actually was involved in starting bucket racing would have a problem with where the rules are at the moment, just like they wouldn't have a problem with any bike out there.

I'm sitting on the 'it ain't broken, don't fix it' fence.

From my perspective there's four types of bucket racers;

the folks that can actually afford to race, buy all the good gear, pay for the development, dyno time etc etc
the talented mechanics and engineers that haunt this forum and develop fantastic machinery :drool: (GPR, Marshland, Team ESE, FarmerKen etc etc) I'm in awe of you guys :not:
the talented riders who seem to be able to make almost anything go fast. Combine their ability with the right machinery and they are near unbeatable
then there's the rest of us :woohoo: the muppets that play in the mid and back of the pack with limited money, little bike building skills and even less riding ability.


Fiddling with the rules will not change anything except for temporally upsetting the pecking order for a bit. There will still be the folks that buy the fancy GP frames & engines etc and throw $'s at it, the engineering types will still beaver away developing their 2T or 4T engines, chassis or what ever, there will always be the talented riders blowing us old farts into the weeds, and us muppets will still come out to play and dream of the day we can afford to buy a GPR frame and all the GP125 suspension etc to go into it along with the reliable 30+hp engine of our choice and maybe come and play at the pointy end :killingme Until then I'll buy stuff for my FXR as I can afford it, enjoy tinkering with what I can, and hopefully continue to learn a lot as I go along.

Buckets F4/F5 is a great formula that caters for just about anybody. It doesn't need to cost a lot, there's bugger all ego's, bullshit and politics involved. Generally bucket racers are a great bunch and help, information and advice is willingly offered. A beginner can buy an older bucket or FXR to try it for a modest outlay and there's plenty of scope for building and developing 31HP 2T rockets. Looking forward to seeing if its a weapon or a grenade :dodge: but therein lies both the challenge and also confirmation that the current formula is working just fine IMHO. Cheers.

[seymour14]

Well said, if it aint broke don't fix it.

Just check the rules occasionally to make sure its fair for everyone, and that it is in the spirit of buckets.

[Bert]

Where did these last three pages come from...

It's not broken leave it as is.

Rules need to clean up the grey areas, yes.
Old guys need to remember that young guys have a higher level of fitness and likely a shitload less weight and stuffed body parts... Sometimes you just admit defeat and suck it up...

I have no talent, yes (cheers Dave).

When was it so critical to win? Buckets has always been more about challenging yourself and your machine; learning along the way.

And things have changed, but man we all still have a lot of fun when all together.


Side note: does anyone have a 30mm socket and a clutch basket holder???

[Henk]

I have a 30mm socket and a tyre lever, want to pop round and grab them?

[Bert]

I have a 30mm socket and a tyre lever, want to pop round and grab them?

Yea na.. But thanks, seems I'm on the outer I might have to go buy one.
Dry clutch TZ deserves a little more care than the old tire lever trick..

[F5 Dave]

Where did these last three pages come from...

It's not broken leave it as is.

Rules need to clean up the grey areas, yes.
Old guys need to remember that young guys have a higher level of fitness and likely a shitload less weight and stuffed body parts... Sometimes you just admit defeat and suck it up...

I have no talent, yes (cheers Dave).

When was it so critical to win? Buckets has always been more about challenging yourself and your machine; learning along the way.

And things have changed, but man we all still have a lot of fun when all together.


Side note: does anyone have a 30mm socket and a clutch basket holder???
ERM, alcohol in my case. And no I meant real talent, better than us lot type.

Been out riding dirt bikes with the Gooch. What fun that is. Y`all should join in the fun.

[mr bucketracer]

Yea na.. But thanks, seems I'm on the outer I might have to go buy one.
Dry clutch TZ deserves a little @ more care than the old tire lever trick..so you on the outer and and don't want to ask me😃

[Henk]

so you on the outer and and don't want to ask me😃

He knows you hate him as much as the rest of us

[Bert]

so you on the outer and and don't want to ask me��

:weep: sent you a txt during the week and asked.
You never answer txt or calls... I just assumed the bromance was over and I've been replaced...
I've even had to spend time with my wife (she's not happy)..


He knows you hate him as much as the rest of us

Yea - not overly feeling the love.:scratch:

[mr bucketracer]

:weep: sent you a txt during the week and asked.
You never answer txt or calls... I just assumed the bromance was over and I've been replaced...
I've even had to spend time with my wife (she's not happy)..



Yea - not overly feeling the love.:scratch:who is this new friend

[Bert]

who is this new friend

:killingme:killingme:killingme
How's that 300 coming along? Ready for next weekend?

[mr bucketracer]

:killingme:killingme:killingme
How's that 300 coming along? Ready for next weekend?im just a talk up now days

[TALLIS]

........................

[husaberg]

im just a talk up now days

You should just log in as husaberg then:clap:

[mr bucketracer]

You should just log in as husaberg then:clap:lol whats ya password then (talkup) (-;:laugh:

[mr bucketracer]

got my rg50 engine out , if i was just to piston port it what inlet Duration should i run . thanks

[husaberg]

lol whats ya password then (talkup) (-;:laugh:

Close it's Shittalker01

[mr bucketracer]

Close it's Shittalker01Shittalker01 here we go

[F5 Dave]

got my rg50 engine out , if i was just to piston port it what inlet Duration should i run . thanks
Nah man, run the reed as well. Speedpro went down that path. Mill the block so its flatter like an RG250 or an RM, it will flow better. Had to go up a jet size.

[mr bucketracer]

Nah man, run the reed as well. Speedpro went down that path. Mill the block so its flatter like an RG250 or an RM, it will flow better. Had to go up a jet size.oh man that don't help already f5 daved the reed hole lol

[speedpro]

got my rg50 engine out , if i was just to piston port it what inlet Duration should i run . thanks

200 or close to exhaust duration worked for me. I also thought that the intake tract was compromised by the reed opening. I bogged it over and went total piston port. The reed as far as I could tell only worked when the designed intake was used beyond it's design revs and the pulses met the closed piston port and then went through the reed. Long time ago. Seemed to work OK considering other things in the motor. Went full cylinder reed after that and got similar results. I bogged the reed cavity on a TS 100 and ran 200 degrees timing as well and it was an awesome engine with a big FAT 19.9hp

[mr bucketracer]

200 or close to exhaust duration worked for me. I also thought that the intake tract was compromised by the reed opening. I bogged it over and went total piston port. The reed as far as I could tell only worked when the designed intake was used beyond it's design revs and the pulses met the closed piston port and then went through the reed. Long time ago. Seemed to work OK considering other things in the motor. Went full cylinder reed after that and got similar results. I bogged the reed cavity on a TS 100 and ran 200 degrees timing as well and it was an awesome engine with a big FAT 19.9hpcool thanks for that , thought i better try get a 50 ready for the gp

[speedpro]

You can experiment with piston port timing by trimming the piston skirt. Just before reboring is a good time to do it

[mr bucketracer]

You can experiment with piston port timing by trimming the piston skirt. Just before reboring is a good time to do ithalf way through it i thought the same thing so made it 175 and will play with the pistion the rest, have not ported a 2 stroke for so long is was not that easy , only porting i have done of a late was the exhaurt of regans bike and the was easy to this 50cc thing

[mr bucketracer]

next time i race my bike i might get kerry to black flag everyone but me so i win (-; will feel like a rugby player then:headbang:

[seymour14]

next time i race my bike i might get kerry to black flag everyone but me so i win (-; will feel like a rugby player then:headbang:

There was no cheating in the rugby sevens...:yes:

The ref had eyes...:no:

We won!!:whocares:

[Aeromo]

Are your FXR motors 156cc?

[mr bucketracer]

Are your FXR motors 156cc?off the top of my head 156cc or 157cc 64mm pistion max over size. mine is a 300 (-; lol

[Aeromo]

Oh sweet, does no one care its above cc limit? or is there a maximum oversize? Only asking as there is a 162cc kit for the honda

[mr bucketracer]

Oh sweet, does no one care its above cc limit? or is there a maximum oversize? Only asking as there is a 162cc kit for the hondathere is a % but can't find it , 300 taking the piss

[chrisc]

Appendix A of the MNZ MOMS: https://www.mnz.co.nz/docs/default-source/regulations/appendix-a---championship-classes-(road)4264fc456e51694ab575ff0000938921.pdf?sfvrsn= 2


The maximum capacity for rebored engines shall be:
F4 2 stroke 55-110cc
2 stroke 55-125cc air cooled - 130.5cc
4 stroke 55-150cc – 158.09cc
F5 2 stroke 0-50cc - 53cc
4 stroke 0-100cc - 104cc

[Pumba]

Oh sweet, does no one care its above cc limit? or is there a maximum oversize? Only asking as there is a 162cc kit for the honda

And the troll of the day award goes too...........

[Aeromo]

And the troll of the day award goes too...........

Lol your the troll piggy, i don't give a fuck if someone cheats, im new to buckets and know fuk all about engines, I wanted to know why on GPR site the FXR build was 157cc, When the class was 150cc. (that comment alone shows how much I don't know ha) I know of max piston sizes eg KT100 class max piston 63mm, I thought it would be similar with bikes but instead it states a cc limit not piston size. I haven't read MNZ rules properly,

Whens the next bucket race you attending piggy, so I can smoke you on the track

[Henk]

Lol your the troll piggy, i don't give a fuck if someone cheats, im new to buckets and know fuk all about engines, I wanted to know why on GPR site the FXR build was 157cc, When the class was 150cc. (that comment alone shows how much I don't know ha) I know of max piston sizes eg KT100 class max piston 63mm, I thought it would be similar with bikes but instead it states a cc limit not piston size. I haven't read MNZ rules properly,

Whens the next bucket race you attending piggy, so I can smoke you on the track

Wild guess piggy will be next turning up at the GP in Tokoroa 13th March, bring port.

[Bert]

Lol your the troll piggy, i don't give a fuck if someone cheats, im new to buckets and know fuk all about engines, I wanted to know why on GPR site the FXR build was 157cc, When the class was 150cc. (that comment alone shows how much I don't know ha) I know of max piston sizes eg KT100 class max piston 63mm, I thought it would be similar with bikes but instead it states a cc limit not piston size. I haven't read MNZ rules properly,

Whens the next bucket race you attending piggy, so I can smoke you on the track

GPR site, The value was rounded, when I updated the site... Bore 64mm stroke 48.8.
This was updated last year, when they fluffing around the max CCs...
Cool someone actually looked at the website (you must be one of five for the year thus far)...
Technically a set piston size assumes that there is a homogated engines and single stroke. This is not the case buckets (range of different engines and ratios). Hence a CC limit.

Maximum rebore size information is covered under the following MoMs (manual of Motorsport - MNZ).
https://www.mnz.co.nz/regulations/MoMS/manual-of-motorcycle-sport-(road)

Starting off I'd read Chapter 10 followed by Chapter 16 (rules for buckets).

Then, given buckets have a national title the final specs are covered under:

Appendix A
MINIATURE ROAD RACING
New Zealand Miniature Road Race Grand Prix:
Solo motorcycles shall have two engine capacity classes:
F4 2 stroke 55-100cc
2 stroke 55-125cc air cooled 4 stroke 55-150cc
F5 2 stroke 0-50cc
4 stroke 0-100cc air cooled
Sidecars shall have one engine capacity class: 2 stroke 55-100cc
2 stroke 55-125cc air cooled 4 stroke 55-150cc
The maximum capacity for rebored engines shall be:
F4 2 stroke 55-110cc
2 stroke 55-125cc air cooled - 130.5cc
4 stroke 55-150cc – 158.09cc
F5 2 stroke 0-50cc - 53cc
4 stroke 0-100cc - 104cc

[jasonu]

Lol I haven't read MNZ rules properly,

No shit Sherlock...

[mr bucketracer]

Wild guess piggy will be next turning up at the GP in Tokoroa 13th March, bring port.port challange , big nip glass at each corner running race , someones diffent port at each corner (im making one this time):devil2:

[mr bucketracer]

new gpr mascot lol
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[seymour14]

port challange , big nip glass at each corner running race , someones diffent port at each corner (im making one this time):devil2:

I didn't realize they made a "Port" called "Jet Fuel".:sick:

[seymour14]

new gpr mascot lol
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Your cat really needs to stop hanging around you.

That's my glass...:laugh:

[mr bucketracer]

Rg50 cylinder ready 319270

[TALLIS]

Lol your the troll piggy, i don't give a fuck if someone cheats, im new to buckets and know fuk all about engines, I wanted to know why on GPR site the FXR build was 157cc, When the class was 150cc. (that comment alone shows how much I don't know ha) I know of max piston sizes eg KT100 class max piston 63mm, I thought it would be similar with bikes but instead it states a cc limit not piston size. I haven't read MNZ rules properly,

Whens the next bucket race you attending piggy, so I can smoke you on the track

I love this post, very passive aggressive isn't it......

Just a hint for next time tho, Theres probably a few more ways of asking. Puma is a good cunt, would love to see you attend some events up here.

[TALLIS]

Rg50 cylinder ready 319270

Finally my cylinder is finished! :headbang:
...........

[Askor]

I didn't realize they made a "Port" called "Jet Fuel".:sick:

Can it melt steel beams?

[seymour14]

Can it melt steel beams?

It did at the twin towers...

We don't drink there now.

[kel]

Rg50 cylinder ready 319270

Him no RG. What is it, an RMX50? Now these non competition RMX and SMX Suzuki motors came standard from the factory with the T port exhaust cylinder. Show me a Derbi motor that comes from the factory with anything but a single exhaust port, yet the bolt up after market cylinder kits we allow people to use have T and triple ports?
Anyways, rant over ... The ESE boys have shown the piston can survive with the T port bridge removed, although their hp results have been somewhat hampered by dams etc.

[mr bucketracer]

Him no RG. What is it, an RMX50? Now these non competition RMX and SMX Suzuki motors came standard from the factory with the T port exhaust cylinder. Show me a Derbi motor that comes from the factory with anything but a single exhaust port, yet the bolt up after market cylinder kits we allow people to use have T and triple ports?
Anyways, rant over ... The ESE boys have shown the piston can survive with the T port bridge removed, although their hp results have been somewhat hampered by dams etc.got you there .welder ,new sleave

[mr bucketracer]

Yea na.. But thanks, seems I'm on the outer I might have to go buy one.
Dry clutch TZ deserves a little more care than the old tire lever trick..of to ackland with the tz this weekend ?

[Bert]

of to ackland with the tz this weekend ?

?? I'm still waiting for my mate to pop around and help me... Could be waiting for a while...:weep:
Should I resend the txt for help: 30mm socket and a clutch basket holder??

[mr bucketracer]

?? I'm still waiting for my mate to pop around and help me... Could be waiting for a while...:weep:
Should I resend the txt for help: 30mm socket and a clutch basket holder??air gun , guess i live a long way away lol

[F5 Dave]

Him no RG. What is it, an RMX50? Now these non competition RMX and SMX Suzuki motors came standard from the factory with the T port exhaust cylinder. Show me a Derbi motor that comes from the factory with anything but a single exhaust port, yet the bolt up after market cylinder kits we allow people to use have T and triple ports?
Anyways, rant over ... The ESE boys have shown the piston can survive with the T port bridge removed, although their hp results have been somewhat hampered by dams etc.
Really? I'd struggle to imagine Suzuki would make another barre when they already had one. And it looks like a sleeve.

PS std 1st model Derbi has triple port. Later Derbis used minarelli engine.

[F5 Dave]

Been a while since doing the clutch on J-Lo`s TZ but if you have old plates you can make a holder by bolting two plates together. Rag or sacrificial ally and air wrench will get it off.

[jasonu]

Rg50 cylinder ready 319270

I think I see my fingerprints on it...

[kel]

Really? I'd struggle to imagine Suzuki would make another barre when they already had one.
Struggle away, quick google search should easy that condition though

[mr bucketracer]

I think I see my fingerprints on it...say they are(-; old ones

[kel]

PS std 1st model Derbi has triple port. Later Derbis used minarelli engine.
Now this has me intrigued, model number for the triple port Derbi please (or any OEM euro1, 2, 3 or AM6)

[Pumba]

Lol your the troll piggy, i don't give a fuck if someone cheats, im new to buckets and know fuk all about engines, I wanted to know why on GPR site the FXR build was 157cc, When the class was 150cc. (that comment alone shows how much I don't know ha) I know of max piston sizes eg KT100 class max piston 63mm, I thought it would be similar with bikes but instead it states a cc limit not piston size. I haven't read MNZ rules properly,

Whens the next bucket race you attending piggy, so I can smoke you on the track

Jebus hook line and sinker. Bait wasn't even that good.

Everybody smokes me so set your sights a little higher.


Wild guess piggy will be next turning up at the GP in Tokoroa 13th March, bring port.

That's the plan. Need to pull the bike out of the naughty corner and see what else got broke at Tamuranui.

Aeromo, listen to this man. Bring port.


I love this post, very passive aggressive isn't it......

Just a hint for next time tho, Theres probably a few more ways of asking. Puma is a good cunt, would love to see you attend some events up here.

Cunts are useful. Not sure I actually fit that descriptor.

[Bert]

Been a while since doing the clutch on J-Lo`s TZ but if you have old plates you can make a holder by bolting two plates together. Rag or sacrificial ally and air wrench will get it off.

Yip, was thinking that would work.
Have a spare set so that will be tomorrow's job (before we all sit down and sort of VMCC series).
Anyone want to put up their hands to help out this year???
Should be a good season.

[F5 Dave]

Now this has me intrigued, model number for the triple port Derbi please (or any OEM euro1, 2, 3 or AM6)
Well I wasted a few mins looking for any useful RMX info.
So my response has to be: a quick Google search should easy that condition.

But my GPR(Senda marking on cases) has a std Derbi barrel with 3 port (whether on the corner or not I couldn't say). Think its a `99.

Everyone seemingly moved to an AM6 for euro 4 if not already.

[sonic_v]

Really? I'd struggle to imagine Suzuki would make another barre when they already had one. And it looks like a sleeve.

PS std 1st model Derbi has triple port. Later Derbis used minarelli engine.

No Derbi 50 has used a minarelli engine.

The Aprilia RS50 used the minarelli AM6 up to 2006.

After that date, Derbi and Aprilia shared an engine from their parent group - Piaggio - d50b0 and d50b1

[F5 Dave]

Ahh OK I stand corrected. I knew they used the same engine so assumed only derbi did the swap. We see very very few import small cc euro bikes here.

Mine came in from UK. Helps having an office that ships stuff to us. Well it used to. Not now.

[mr bucketracer]

you don't get this number of riders on the track at one time any more in nz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRz6HnKWnDA

[Pumba]

you don't get this number of riders on the track at one time any more in nz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRz6HnKWnDA

Love the commentators discussing "rumours around the pits" regarding how stock the lead bike may or may not be:nya:

[jasonu]

Love the commentators discussing "rumours around the pits" regarding how stock the lead bike may or may not be:nya:

Naa that is that wanker tony palmer being a wanker as usual.

[Grumph]

Love the commentators discussing "rumours around the pits" regarding how stock the lead bike may or may not be:nya:

I can't see the vid on my setup but looking at the date and race, I'd have been there. Is that the one where batman jumps the drainage ditch past the splash ? I think it was that year when the chow as Yoko agent produced "DOT legal" qualifying tyres for 250 prod. Given to one rider they were worth about a second on Minefield, lasted 3 laps after which they just about melted off the rims. It was those which led to the questions about the pole bike....

And Palmer...complete cunt. Personally fucked the televising of motorcycle racing in NZ for many years.

[F5 Dave]

And crasherfromwayback gets an idea for a forum name several years before the internet takes off.

Think I missed going to watch that one being horribly sick with manflu.

No hold on, I was marshalling that year. Don't remember that race though.

[mr bucketracer]

You guys stick to your bucket toys im now a super bike racer319285

[TALLIS]

Dam sponsored riders! Always getting the free ride :yes:

[Pumba]

You guys stick to your bucket toys im now a super bike racer

Yea but you have to race against other superbikes. Not squeeze it into one of your GPR frames and hope we wont notice at the GP!

[mr bucketracer]

Yea but you have to race against other superbikes. Not squeeze it into one of your GPR frames and hope we wont notice at the GP!guess i will have to go next door and talk shit ,do i need a olans rear cock , do i have to revalve this , thanks guys god bless you:tugger:lol

[jasonu]

guess i will have to go next door and talk shit ,do i need to a olans rear cock , do i have to revalve this , thanks guys god bless you:tugger:lol

Eat a pie!!!

[mr bucketracer]

Eat a pie!!!kfc is better

[Grumph]

You guys stick to your bucket toys im now a super bike racer

Not sure which of those items is the most battered....

[F5 Dave]

That was at least 10 seconds of larfing out loud.

[Yow Ling]

guess i will have to go next door and talk shit ,do i need a olans rear cock , do i have to revalve this , thanks guys god bless you:tugger:lol

If I needed a rear cock I dont think I would put it up here, who is Olan?

[F5 Dave]

I think he said he needs a rear cock up his shitter from Olan. I can't say its a real surprise. He does have a Honda now.

[husaberg]

Pretty sure he ran off and up the Freudian slip road.

[Grumph]

If he's using a phone with predictive text, it's telling us something I don't want to know about his mainstream messages....

[mr bucketracer]

If he's using a phone with predictive text, it's telling us something I don't want to know about his mainstream messages....lol your the only clever one in here at the moment , might get dave to paint the bike , make it look like a shiter lol:msn-wink:

[mr bucketracer]

New superbike getting there319296

[TALLIS]

New superbike getting there319296
Fak yeah! Getting close now

[mr bucketracer]

Fak yeah! Getting close nowsuch hard work building this bike , thats 5 hour of my life i will never get back:yawn:

[TZ350]

Great work, I am so jealous ..... :sick: and green with envy.

[mr bucketracer]

Great work, I am so jealous ..... :sick: and green with envy.have to get reggy to make me a tank , how meany letres for the gp do you think ?

[Bert]

New superbike getting there319296

Pit bike forks??


have to get reggy to make me a tank , how meany letres for the gp do you think ?

Get in line hahaha maybe we need to start moulding Mondays...

[mr bucketracer]

Pit bike forks??



Get in line hahaha maybe we need to start moulding Mondays...319304done ..moulding Monday rims nice

[Bert]

319304done ..moulding Monday rims nice

Didn't they happen to be attached to the spare 150?

Moulding rims?

[mr bucketracer]

rhymes lol , no the gt 100

[Bert]

rhymes lol , no the gt 100

I see.. So is the NSR coming out to play tomorrow??

[mr bucketracer]

I see.. So is the NSR coming out to play tomorrow??nope , you dont want to know lol

[mr bucketracer]

319355hugh anderson was here

[seymour14]

319355hugh anderson was here

How did Hugh go?:laugh:

[TALLIS]

How did Hugh go?:laugh:

He still knows how to ride... thanks to you, dammit lol

[seymour14]

He still knows how to ride... thanks to you, dammit lol

So there is hope for the old bugga's still. :shifty: